Council Work Session Meeting

0:01Welcome everybody to this work session for January 27, 2026. I, there is no work session items. I will ask for a motion to enter into a closed session. Attorney Klein matters. Mr. Chair, I move for us to move into a closed session to discuss attorney client matters.

0:29I have a motion by Council Member Carson, and a second by Council Member Wharton. Any, any questions about this? Okay, I'm gonna call the question, Council Member Young. Council Member Dugan. Yes. Council Member Wharton. Yes. Council Member Bittrow. Aye. Council Member Carson. Yes. And I, and Council Member Lopez, I don't know if she can hear us.

0:56Okay, this motion carries unanimously. Now we are in closed session. Thank you.

0:00Pacific accomplishments were because of the stuff. And I have not been able to do any of them, but embarrass myself in public generally if it wasn't for them. So I felt like that is why I want this to be an opportunity for us to level up and learn and ask questions. No question in this meeting is too simple or too uninformed.

0:27I want us to really all feel open to ask questions that we may supposed to know, but we may not. So that's totally OK. So thank you for being here. We have a beautiful day. Shocking to this winter. It doesn't feel like it. So I think that is my introduction. Erica will facilitate the next step. Awesome. Thank you, Ale.

0:50A couple of things that I just want to kind of name as part of our time together. We're trying to keep this as low tech by design as possible. And the intention for that is as soon as you got your computer out or there's a screen, we get distracted. Is that OK? That's one. That's one. We agree. So obviously things come up.

1:13You may need to check your phone from time to time. But just ask that you really check in with technology, not check out with it. A couple other things that I'd love to name is we were just in a space where we were struggling with some big issues and maybe got some unsatisfying responses. And at the same time, we have an opportunity here to think about what are things that we can change in our particular districts and how can we share those priorities with each other and work to accomplish them.

1:42So I'd love to begin with. And I'm going to just ask if we could do the technology, if we could set it aside for a second. OK. You could tell I'm a facilitator. And so I bring in my facilitation background here. One of my leadership principles is relationship before task. And what that means is that if we build relationships, when the work gets hard, we can lean on those relationships.

2:09And so I'd like to begin by really getting to know each other a little bit well with an exercise I love called story of your name. So in just a moment, all of us are going to share a one minute story of your name. And now it could be your given name. It could be your first name. It could be your last name. It could be a nickname.

2:31Just a one minute story. So I'll model it. I think you know by now my name is Erica Carlson. So my mom had her maiden name. She met my dad, Frank. Frank Carlson. They got married. They were together for a few years, and then they got divorced. And then my mom met my stepdad, got married to someone who was another Carlson.

2:59So we, no relation to my dad, but we are all Carlson's. So that's an example of a brief kind of story of my name. And with that, I am going to pass it to my left, because that's where the heart is. Alleged. Story of one minute story of your name. Well, I think that everybody knows my name is Alejandro Puis. Some of you might know that I do have a second last name, and it's a cheque a d'ai.

3:27And that last second last name is very important to me. And unfortunately, I don't use it as much as I should. And it's my mother's last name. And it's where really my heart is with my mother's last name. And it's part of me, even though they might know and might be in my business card. So, Tyrell. Thank you. Continuing on the left, the heart.

3:53She has a big heart. My full name is Daniel Eugene Dugan. And as a kid, I could not stand Eugene. But history, my brother's name is Michael Dugan, no middle name. Elizabeth Dugan, no middle name. Patricia Dugan, no middle name. And then there's Danny Dugan with the middle name. And that's my grandfather on my mother's side.

4:23But, you know, all Irish names. And then there's Eugene in the middle for the youngest baby, white Danny Danny. Thank you. Pass it over to Sarah. Yeah, yeah. Jennifer, are you here? So my legal name is, I changed my name legally when I got married. My maiden name is Jennifer Bruno, Jennifer Ann Bruno. And Bruno, I'm the last Bruno standing because we were all women and got married and lost our names.

4:55And so it was very important for me to keep the Bruno somehow. I kept it professionally, as many of you know. So legally, my name is now Jennifer Ann Bruno, Sarah Cino. Sarah Cino is my husband, the last name. But I didn't want to drop a Nader because that's my mom's name. So I have two middle names. Love it. Yeah, I love it.

5:14So my name is Sarah. And when I was growing up, I was in kindergarten when my little brother was born. And he, you know, young kid couldn't say any of our names. And so I have two sisters. Rachel went by Raw. My little sister Elizabeth went by E. And the way he said my name was, yeah, yeah. Because it sounded like Sarah.

5:37So for my nephews with my little sister, I'm not Aunt Sarah. I'm yeah, yeah. And like they say it when they come running to see me and stuff like that. And that is the name I go by in the house. It's me, you. You're the third. Yeah, it's less flattering. Oh. It's Japanese. I guess. But anyway, it was like a septanetic.

5:58Thanks, Sarah. I was supposed to be Alexandria or Alexis. But my mom almost died with me because she had preeclampsia. And my dad looked at me and he said, she's a Victoria. So I don't know what that means, but that's who I am. And I have my mom's name in the middle. And now I have my maiden name back and I'm never giving it up.

6:25So my legal name is Thomas Christopher Wharton. My dad was Thomas Lee Wharton and his dad was Thomas Lee Wharton. And his dad was Thomas Alma Wharton. And my dad really wanted me to be Thomas Lee Wharton the third. My mom hated the name Thomas. So they agreed that I would be Thomas Christopher Wharton and I would go by my middle name forever.

6:51So I've never gone by Thomas. I always hated both Thomas and Wharton growing up. I only liked my middle name. And then one day I was like googling Thomas Wharton's and there are like a ton of Thomas Wharton's throughout history. Like the first marquee of Wharton and the first governor of Pennsylvania. And all of these historic Wharton's that I was just like this is because growing up I didn't know any other Wharton's.

7:16I thought it was a weird name. It sounds kind of weird. It's spelled different than it sounds. And I hated it. But anyway that's my name. I still love Chris the best but the rest of the names kind of whatever. Awesome. Thank you all for sharing. Did anybody learn something new about somebody they've worked with for a long time or have known for a long time?

7:40I thought this would be a good kind of fun light activity for us to do to one exemplify the power of storytelling. And that theme of storytelling is going to come back for us later on in our agenda as we think about a new story and a fun way to share some of our priorities that we hope to accomplish by the end of this year.

8:00A couple things we didn't mention but we've got our retreat outcomes up there so we know if anybody's ever been in a meeting and ask like what's the purpose of this meeting? We've got them right here. This is where we're headed. We've got an area in facilitator land. There used to be something called the parking lot but facilitator land is very progressive and the parking lot has evolved into the garden.

8:23And the garden is a space where maybe things come up that don't connect to our retreat outcomes but we don't want to lose them. So the garden is where we'll put those ideas in those threads. And with that let's go ahead and turn it over to Jennifer to do a budget, a hit bay. All the things we didn't want to know and do know.

8:44So a lot of you guys will have seen that. So this is good though. A lot of you guys will have seen something. Where's the Joe Biden quote? I know. So for those of you who don't know show me this presentation by saying quote unquote don't show me your priorities, show me your budget and that'll tell me your priorities.

9:24So it really is how you get that through the budget. And I'm biased because I started as a budget analyst at the city but it is where all of your power is so much of your power. Because basically everything costs money. You can't do anything without money. So anyway. And it's a way for you guys to sort of plan out your future.

9:45So it's a way for you to show your residents what are the next couple of years going to look like. Whether that's through projects or staffing or bonds, things like that. So it's a really, really important tool. The second slide is just a brief overview of the timeline. I think most of you are familiar with how the timeline works.

10:05But we're already in the season where the mayor's staff is kind of developing. Hi guys. Thanks for joining me. So send thoughts and prayers their way. Yes. They're already kind of dealing with the Tetris that they're having to figure out how to make what money comes in be enough for what money needs to go out. So they present a budget.

10:30It has to be a balanced budget to the council on the first Tuesday in May. And then that's what kicks off your guys' reals' elevations about each department. So you go through each department, you ask all the tough questions, pick apart everything. I will say this. I'm going to put a little asterisk on this budget process timeline.

10:49There are several bills being discussed at the state legislature that can like dramatically affect this. Both for these. So I'll just keep. So this is the next slide is just a kind of one on one on different funds. I think so often people simplify the budget and think it's just this one bucket of money. Really there are like several dozen buckets and each bucket has different rules and ways you can use the bucket.

11:26Some buckets can use money to other buckets. Other buckets are forced to kind of stay in their lane in their own bucket. So there's the general fund. That's kind of the city's primary fund to cover all the things, you know, all the basic. Then you have the capital projects fund. But that's separate from the general fund, although the general fund does contribute money towards the capital projects fund.

11:55That's where things like bonds live. And so that's just an accounting way where we track projects differently than we track sort of staffing. The really, you know, kind of unique thing about the capital projects fund is that that money doesn't lapse to fund balance. So you'll hear about fund balance a lot. It gets replenished at the end of every year because any money that departments don't spend automatically drops to that savings account for lack of a better word.

12:27That's not the case with capital projects, which is why sometimes when you fund, you know, streetlights, you know, in an area or like a road reconstruction project, it might take several years for that project to actually be ready to spend the funds. And so that's essentially not the way we do that. So there's internal service funds.

12:48So internal service funds are one of those funds where, and sorry, I went to the next slide already. So internal service funds are where buckets can pay each other for the different service. It provides, I think a good example is fleet. Right. So police officers need cars and we have a fleet fund that services those cars.

13:09So the police department will pay the fleet fund to service those cars. Alternatively, the fleet will purchase the bills that the police officers need. IMS is another internal service fund where, you know, we have our tech gurus and they need to get paid somehow into the general fund, reimburses them for their service they provide.

13:30Enterprise funds are those buckets that kind of have to keep to themselves. So the airport is a perfect example of that. And this is why several of us are just kind of dumbfounded and why certain people in a different level of government are excited on, you know, quote unquote, getting the airport because really they're very, very heavily regulated by the FAA in terms of what money they can and can't share.

13:55The exception to that is that all of the officers, the police officers at the airport are technically selling city police officers. And so they reimburse the city for the cost of those officers, save those for the firefighters that are out of the airport. So that's an exception there. But otherwise enterprise funds kind of have to keep to themselves.

14:15Did you have a question? No, I guess, you know, the Enterprise funds and the airport being, you know, one of the best examples of a fund, something that like it produces revenue, but it spends its own revenue and, you know, it balances its own budget basically. And the police department and the fire department be in some of those strange things that happen there, but they're not that strange because they are like paying for other services to for contractors to do construction, much like they're paying for the for select city to service their police under fire.

14:50So it's not that strange because it's. Okay. But they. So the most flexible funds, you know, one could say that the general fund funds because they are not tied to that many regulations or any really. There are there are like caveats I would add to that. So some of the revenue we collect. So like these permitting, building permit, these things like that have to be cost justified.

15:22So those have those have regulations. Some of the class C funds that we get into the general fund have regulations about, you know, you can spend them on this. You can spend them on that. But in general, it really is. It's your most flexible money. One other enterprise that I wanted to talk about a little bit is the public utilities fund.

15:42There's a lot of conversations of course about public utilities right now. And unlike. I think that the airport doesn't get as much scrutiny because, you know, other than what people pay for parking, no one realizes like how much the airport is charging when you book a plane ticket, right? Like it kind of all just goes into the wash.

16:00But really that's how that's a lot of how fund our airport operations. Unlike public utilities where people see their bills every month. So the reason that they have to pay those bills is because public utilities has to generate the revenue it needs to pay for all the things it needs to do. Right. So otherwise you would have a general fund needing to subsidize what public utilities needs to do.

16:25Right. So that's another, that's another example of an enterprise fund where maybe you guys feel that tension of the need to pay for the projects that are required by the public. You're either required by the federal government for example for public utilities with the rates that public utilities has to charge. So. Impact fees fall into the general fund.

16:48Impact fees. I think impact fees would be more accurately described in the capital projects fund. That's where they end up being spent. They are collected, you know, by our, you know, in our income system, but they're tracked separately. But those are very heavily regulated in terms of what they can be used for. They can't use them for maintenance.

17:06They can't use to be paid. They can't be used to be replaced into any existing projects. Like they can only be used to fund projects relating to growth. So that's like the main thing to remember about it. And if we don't spend any time, they need to be returned to their. Yes, to the developer and they're always a very, there's always a high level of scrutiny from the development community.

17:31Either how much our impact fees are or what we're spending them on. And where we're spending them is always a subject of conversation because it's a, it's a pooled resource. Sometimes people feel like well, I am a developer in district five and the part you built with my impact fees is in district two. So that's not a better for whatever.

17:53But really the impact you plan is written with the city wide vision in my. Is enterprise fund is that like a Utah law defined term or is that a, that like does that mean things outside of Utah or. That's a good question. I in my travels, I have seen the term enterprise fund before, but it's so different. The state regulations is a related budgeting is very different.

18:26The governmental accounting standards for Gatsby, which you sometimes hear not Gatsby, Gatsby is nationwide. So the accounting standards are all the nationwide, but in terms of what each state does and doesn't allow you to do with your funds is different. I would have to, that's an interesting question. I'd have to get back to you on that.

18:46Because we do have, there is Utah law about our enterprise funds, which is what a lot of the people are concerned about. Is the general fund subsidizing an enterprise fund or is it enterprise fund subsidizing the general fund and then our city were very, very strict about not doing that with the exception of golf. Golf.

19:06But that is one of those things that's like a comes up on occasion. Can I follow up on something you said in regards to capital project funds that the bonds don't lapse to the fund balance. So as I understand the other funds that might be in spend laps towards the fund balance. That's true in the case of the general fund.

19:33In just in the general fund. And actually, let's see, I mean that's also true. So maybe a thing about it like this, if it's paying or if something is paying for staffing or like annual maintenance kind of stuff, that's the kind of stuff that drops to the balance. And each fund, like so let's say the golf fund has its own fund balance, public utilities has its own fund balance.

19:59Okay. But when we say fund balance, we're only talk, we almost are always just talking about the general fund. Yes. In my shorthand. Okay. And actually it's a constant analyst joke about it because it's general fund fund balance. And so you end up with like two funds together. So fun. So fun. So fun. So fun. And while you refer to that as savings, it actually isn't.

20:22It's akin to having your whole paycheck in checking account separate. It's probably a little bit in a gray area because it is a savings account and then it be a weird money on. You're an interest on it. Functionally in the terms of the way it can be used. But yeah. But yeah, it can be used and we do often use it. So I am interested in checking account as well.

20:47Yeah. And we use it, I mean not just be perfectly honest, to balance the budget with the money on the fund. To balance ongoing needs just to balance the budget. And I'll get to that slide in a second. The one I'm going to be on. And the bonds can only be used for that specific use. There is. Yeah. There are like a one.

21:10There are also like one time and there's going to be another slide about bonds. Okay. Some questions about bonds. There is a list over here of the lead chart of all the budgets. All the budgets. It's kind of fun. So the CVDG ones that are generally come from the federal government. Although we have subsidized that in the power.

21:28Even recently. There's a few ones that I don't remember reading about that which is embarrassing. But I guess I did say at the beginning of this meeting that I was going to embarrass myself. Good modeling. The modeling. The donation fund. Will you tell me what that is? Yeah. The city has a foundation technically. Mixed success.

21:52I think soliciting donations. And so I know that that's something that the administration though will be at increasing their efforts in that kind of. But when we, for example, when we did the Echles theater. That became a very important fund. We were taking in donations to name, you know, rooms and the hall and the lobby and all that things.

22:19And then we have to transfer it from that fund to the capital projects fund because the person donating money wants to be able to get the tax tax. So this is the fund that we remove the ordinance to streamline the ordinance to accept some of the Home Depot donations. Okay. Now, what is that $500,000 coming from them? I think so.

22:41We established that based on like, for the year, but it's not necessarily good. So we're not subsidizing that because that's like that's a receiving fund. Yeah. And we have to have it's interesting when you are receiving money. And then we have to have the budget to spend the money. All right. Let's go to the slide that says you need.

23:03So the CRA is you need to get some fun. But it's heavily regulated by state law and it has a different policy making body, which is you guys. Just wearing a different hat. So, um, you know, it's a very different way to get the money. And we can talk more about that in a little bit. And like I said, there's a separate state code that governs what CRA money can be spent on.

23:33And it's very, very, very heavily regulated and I think has become even more regulated in recent years because some taxing entities have expressed. Reservations and or frustrations with what different cities have done with their CRAs. I will say I'm very proud to work for Salt Lake City because I think our CRAs have always been focused on true community building.

24:02And I think other cities in Utah have established CRAs to do that kind of like. So they would make a CRA to have a Costco located in their city and then would do like a tax increment reimbursement for like a retail thing or Costco. There was one case where I think one city would allows from one side of the street to the other.

24:32I'm like, whoa. I think, you know, and I think RDA's and CRAs have a very checkered history of pretty acholi. And I think because our RDA was established at the time it was, we have less of that. And I think especially we have potential to have that in our urban core. But I think we've been pretty the policymakers in the city.

25:03I shouldn't clarify. I have been pretty being intentional about why do we have RDA's? What is the point? What is the point of them if it's not to lift people up, lift community? And developers don't always love it because obviously it means that they have to account for those kinds of public benefits in a way where, you know, in other cities, they're just used to saying like, here's my gap.

25:31Thank you RDA. Okay, the gap. You know, I think the policymakers in our city have asked her questions. The one exception to all of the regulations from state code is the money that the RDA receives from funding our future that you guys have decided each year to direct general fund money to from funding our future to the RDA for the RDA to put out a notice of funding availability that money is not regulated by state code.

25:58You could decide to increase a decrease a change in whatever. And then the Westside housing initiative money comes from the Inlet port allocation. So the Inlet port as part of that legislation directs. I remember it was 10%? I was 10. It was 10. 10. Yeah. Money to the RDA for this. He's saying RDA. I'm really, really sorry.

26:24I'm just thinking. Was it, was it, Ned had the West side too. It was expected to say West about 15. Train. Train. Train. I remember I was like the train. I was part of that. That is regulated by both state code requires it. And, but you guys can talk about it because you guys are the RDA. You can talk about shaping it differently.

26:51But in the meantime, it's collecting a bit of money and it's what has funded some of the homeownership opportunities on the West side and things like that. State statute. I thought we. Part of an interlocal that can't be amended. That one. The transfer of the money can't be amended, but the purpose of the money aside from being on the West side.

27:12I think that that's data that state statute is going to go to the West side. But I think the purpose of the money has evolved over the years to be more focused on homeownership. I think that was good shoes. Yeah, it was. But I think you guys as policymakers could know, not that you don't want to. I think it's, I don't know where you actually can.

27:31I think it's where you guys are. I think I'll make headlines. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another thing. Just because hand doesn't mean you should. Yes. Yeah.

28:00Layers of. There's like a layer of state code. City policy. And then headlines. Right. Like, so the city library is also a unique solid city fund ish and this I'll just put a big. I'm going to run all of this is that it's a little bit of a gray area right now. And last year. The state tax commission and county assessor decided that the library would not be a separate tax.

28:31It had always been before that. It had its own line item on the tax bills. Their budgets, even though you guys set the tax rate for the library, they have their own policy or that oversees what happens with that money. And there's been long, kind of like a. That's a good thing to have elected officials not involved about what books belong on the shelves.

29:00Right. And so that's why it's always felt very important to keep that sort of like separation policy separation between from elected officials to whoever. But we're still working with the state and county to figure out what that means because I think the reason the reason you guys should care, the reason the mayor should care is hypothetically if they were asking for a tax increase, then what it looks like to residents is the city is asking for a tax increase.

29:28And if we have legislation that puts a cap on what kind of tax increase we can do, where then our fate is then tied to whatever tax increase the library is. So it's still up the air a little bit. So if we decided we needed a tax increase and the library decided that it is a tax increase, then we are capped by potentially that bill that.

29:50You might have to choose between the two. Okay. And explain this, you know, this became a problem a couple of years ago when the library sort of approved a budget that wasn't really approved yet by us. I don't know if you remember this. They didn't just plan without you guys approving a budget. So, will you explain how, and what is our authority over the library because it's kind of confusing.

30:14It's complicated. I think that's part of our discussions about how do we unwind? Like, what, in addition, where do we want to go? Because in unwind, the legislative body sets budget. So if they need to come to you and ask for that money, you know, because obviously decisions have reached, it's why the union decision ended up kind of back with you guys because ultimately any agreement you made with the union affects the budget.

31:04So, yeah, I think we're in a little, so I would say you have authority over like what the sandbox is they get to plan. Is your sandbox $14 million or is your sandbox $15 million? And then they get to decide within that sandbox how to make the area work. Okay. Yeah. They're library employees and they pay the city for servicing, for administrating that.

31:27No. Which is kind of part of the, which is one of the things that we're, I think unwinding a little bit. Because the city administrates, they're some of the, some of the human resources. No. And what are the other challenges? They have their own HR. They have their own finance, essentially finance department. They're proposing a bond that would be like a city bond, but it would be for their projects.

31:58When they purchased that land in the ballpark, that was unique because other, the other libraries, when they happened, the city purchased the land and then leased it to the library. So it's just, you know, it's just a fun little ball of yarn word. I'm winding. Okay. Let's go to funding types. So there's one time money and also money and I think we talked a little bit about, you know, in general, the policy of trying to match your ongoing needs with your ongoing money.

32:29I think that that's always the goal of the annual budget, but it's never in my time here. I have not, I have not seen a budget that is like perfect, that, you know, doesn't spend any money, any one time money on the ongoing things. There's also these kind of like gray areas, like you could consider CIP one time money because you're not going to spend a lot of money on projects, right?

32:51That's a discrete project. But I also think of it as ongoing because unless you spend a certain amount of money on projects every year, you're going to fall way behind. But that is one of the places where in years where there's been really tight budgets, that's an easier place to kind of line up the one time money with one time needs because you can just do fewer projects.

33:14And your example of projects being one time money, there are also ongoing money additionally to what you said because of maintenance. Yes, yes. So when you find the capital project, there's like, you know, there's no such thing as free projects. Yes. Unless your project is repairing something that you've already been maintaining, right?

33:36So, yeah. But you don't budget for that in the year that you budget for the project, right? So like a park might be funded to install the park in year one. You don't even build the park until like year three and then you don't need to maintain anything until like your five. So it's not like, it doesn't make sense to hire a bunch of people to maintain the park that's not filled yet, filled yet.

34:00So I'm not saying it's bad, excuse me, bad budget practice that we don't budget for maintenance when you approve the project. But that's why there's a column in the CIP log that you'll see in the CIP book where the departments have started estimating like what is the cost of maintenance that at least like mentally you can have it in your head.

34:19Yeah. Future me. It's a future me problem. Yes. It's a way to track that. Like much like the streets, the department came in and saying like almost a ghost of Christmas futures, right? Two percent. Yes. We know we approve this park and this extra amount of money and most likely five years and keeping track that like in a very visible place for us because I think it's useful to know that yeah, we're doing this major infrastructure all over the city but in five years we probably need to spend a couple million dollars in maintaining.

34:55Yeah. So we're just aware. We get to decide to ignore it. Yeah. But at the same time it's good for us to know that it's. Yes. Yeah. We've had different. I mean, I think we had a park statement. So we can just we can renew our request and I think that the analysts are able to maintain. But what about like we're talking about like infrastructure projects right now.

35:30Yeah. Can we apply this these two backwards and say like parks and the past, you know, what, you know, the firm maintenance we have we have done that. We have a calculation of roads. We have a calculation of do we have a real calculation of parks, a public space. I didn't think they're good. Yeah. We just might need to update it.

35:54Yeah. We do have the whole thing about here's our deferred maintenance on. I think it was like $2 million. And it was also it was also like by park and by like this is what we have for maintenance on sprinklers is what we have to earn maintenance on, you know, cart pass and the. If I'm being like perfectly honest and one, the reality is that number.

36:14If you add up the number between streets, parks, other public lands, the numbers, staggering. And you wouldn't do any new projects. Right. It's like it's I'm not saying we have a head in the sand about it, but there is this like. There's never going to be a. We're going to fully fund at all. But it's not that it's not uncommon for other cities to have the same.

36:39That's very standard. But to me, I feel like it's important to know, especially when public sentiment is talking about parks, for example, on the current maintenance of our parks and maybe the administration and maybe some of us are saying we should do this other fund project to say, well, let's balance it out a little bit with some of the maintenance of the firm maintenance.

37:05The firm maintenance is another word for maintenance that we chose to ignore or defer. Right. Okay. So maybe balance that a little bit and say, sure, but also maybe a little bit of that for the sake of. I mean, I think that's what perks the latest briefing they did with you guys on the second project. So, you know, I think that's the first thing that we've been ignoring for 20 years or whatever.

37:39So. There was a place for law. So there's this like spectrum of there's maintenance. Like I need to paint my mailbox, but sometimes the maintenance gets so bad. Like I've been needing to replace the gutters or whatever that it's like a big. And then it's even expensive. Yes. Yes. The mailbox doesn't stand. I don't know.

37:59So sometimes maintenance gets so expensive that it becomes a project, you know, a big project. Is that the wet blanket list? Yes. Tell me about this wet blanket list. Is that? Or is that? I could have done that as my name. Okay. Well, I remember we have the wet blanket list and is it all of the defer maintenance projects or is it just the CIP projects that never were funded?

38:29It's a little bit of both. Okay. And it got so unwieldy and depressing that people stopped asking me for it. And then they generated one for me that also identifies things that we have committed to to our constituents but don't have identified funding streams. Complete. Things like complete streets, livable streets, all of that.

38:50And we have identified another half billion dollars there but it doesn't include things like cold springs and fish or a mansion or warm springs and fish or a mansion because we're not sure what the end use is. So we don't know how much we're on the cook for. So we have massive amounts of commitments that we've made constituents and ourselves that don't have identifiable streams for that.

39:12And I used to show that list that almost every retreat would be where I got the term wet blanket because it was this really, really long list. It actually is approaching the size of a blanket. And commitments, you know, like things that we told the neighbors would like to do and is that what that is? Well, and then there's like to the point, there was a column in the list that was one time because if it's like you committed to capital expense or there's a column that's ongoing, like, you know, we know we need 200 more police officers, you know, based on our population growth and we don't have the funding.

39:47So it's a little bit of everything but it got really depressing. And it wasn't as effective of a tool as like, I guess it didn't really bring clarity to the conversations. It just kind of brought over. That's the term. That's the term. Yes. But much like any city in the country has... Rainbow's on it. But much like every city has a ton of defer maintenance.

40:14Every city has. Yeah. So what is the difference between that, right? Like every city probably has a lot of dreams that they promise that they're not doing. So I'm more on the, you know, the reaction of, you know, what are the neighbors asking for? For example, like when they, they are saying, you know, this park hasn't seen anything in 30 years and is falling apart, that to me raises the priority.

40:44So it's a balance between the promises that we make and at the same time, reactions from the ground up. But then we get into a reactive cycle where we're spending money to replace rooftops on things, structures that we push to 25 years when we knew at 20, 15 or 20 years that they were getting. And we end up spending the emergency cost on it.

41:04So we're not using resources wisely. And sometimes constituents don't know what we need. We should be balancing both making sure you like where you live, but also making sure that where you live, like the entire generation in the forest did nothing on water infrastructure. So now you and I are figuring out how to keep people in their homes paying for infrastructure that wasn't done, while also trying to be forward looking at things like a water reclamation facility that's going to make their lives more sustainable.

41:31And it's not a fair place for us to be. But this is why I don't care that other people have deferred maintenance. We should be standard setting from a political viewpoint. So policy will tune out from a political standpoint. This is why democratic cities are displacing people that recognize because we're not taking this sort of stuff seriously and prioritizing it in accordance with our own priorities.

41:55But I do care that all of our cities have different ways because there is no such serious, there is no such example where we can not. But outside of normalizing, there's no paradigm for how we deal with this. And we have to covenant among ourselves to be innovative because there's no one showing us. All it does is normalize and say, okay, we're not villains.

42:15But I would prefer for us to push ourselves to be heroes than just not villains. I want to get down here too. The one thing about the deferred maintenance side houses that I said it fast, it doesn't get any smaller. It continues to get worse. So you have to keep an eye on it and you have to make sure you plug the bigger holes.

42:33But you have to control it because there's a time when you have to stop it. Otherwise it becomes so overwhelming. It costs to get over that hump. Far exceeds. Just like we've talked about it on the street side house. The place in the street costs you a million dollars, chip ceiling, you cost you $100,000. No last longer.

42:53So that's where that whole deferred maintenance, if it gets too big, then it gets... It makes you a reactive city. You're always going to have it. You just make sure that you control it and you stop deleting this. Yeah. I was just going to add to that I think what Victoria's saying as well because I agree. And I also think that it's our responsibility collectively to message the needs of the city, even in balance to also advocating for the needs in our district.

43:26You know, because I will universe to say why is the sugar house sign one word as opposed to two. That's very important to my community. And then I will reflect to those same individuals. It's like I understand that, but I also want you to have awareness and insight to what North Temple looks like right now. Yeah. And it's like so when we're looking at prioritizing limited resources, like it's a week.

43:55Like we are responsible for the city. And it's not like a district by district thing. And I think we've always done a really great job of that. And I think that's really important to me. That's equally important in the capital deferred maintenance space. That we're having that conversation about where the greenheads needs in the city.

44:14And within that city, then how are we prioritizing and champion those, you know, without necessarily living in the world of its seven districts all trying to get something for themselves. All all buying against each other. And I think that's something that you said, Victoria, I'm building on what you said, Sarah. Especially as we are preparing for budget season, you know, recognizing that we're not saddling future generations with debt or with hard decisions because we didn't make them ourselves is something that's really important to me.

44:49And second, to recognize we live in Salt Lake City. And yes, we have very district specific needs and priorities. It's about making decisions that benefit our city as a whole. So anyways, Jennifer, back to you. Should we go to the next? So the new section is like, we can do a pre-mingulist, get to the general fund revenue sources.

45:08The pie chart showing like general fund expenses is mostly in terms of the overall general fund budget. Here's how much goes to, I mean, obviously the largest is huge. Hugeest budgets, ironically, the non-departmental budget is our very large budget. But it's sort of where everything lives, including the transfer to the IP.

45:29So that's why there's like budget threads that kind of connect why those pieces are so big. But if we look at the general fund revenue sources slide, this is a point that I think is really important for you guys to understand. And we've evolved in having sales tax be a larger portion of where our revenue comes from, more than property tax.

45:51That's not a bad thing. It means that our economy is doing great. It worries me from a budget policy standpoint because it's not stable. And when economic downturns happen, that's the revenue that takes the quickest. Thankfully, you know, a lot of things seem to be fine-ish in that space. But you also don't have any control over it.

46:15So I think we talked about how other cities operate with different frameworks in other states. And one of the things I'm most jealous of is these cities that can decide whether or not they want to raise sales tax. Because that would be really, really convenient and easy. Now, granted, the talk of sales tax is a very regressive tax.

46:34And so you have to balance that, you know, desire with being a regressive tax. But especially because our population doubles during the day. It's one of the only ways we basically get those people to pay, those people to pay. And so, you know, we're prohibited in the state from doing a commuter tax, which some cities do.

46:54And there's other things that we're looking at in terms of how to get those people who don't pay property taxes here to pay. But it's a tough not to crap. The next property tax is the most stable source. I think I talked about a little bit about the legislature looking at messing with that, which would be a real bummer.

47:15Because that is the one revenue source that you guys have the most control over. In terms of like levers that you can pull in order to fund your priorities, that is a very easy lever to pull. I think the balance is always to Victoria's point. Are you pricing people out of the city? The other thing to consider about property taxes is so, I guess, frustrating to make the word I want to use is that over half of our city is taxes that we're probably.

47:43So it's wonderful that we're the host of a university and a major home for tech workers, but at the state and a bunch of state facilities. But it means that whenever you do increase property taxes, the people who pay, there's a dish proportionate. There's not a people share of the people who pay. And so you just kind of have to be judicious about that.

48:04And it's one of the reasons we're looking at other ways to maybe get some money from those tax exempt organizations. One of the options we're looking at right now that I really, really hope the legislature just like leaves as a tool is the transportation utility fee. That is still legally up in here though. So I did not include it.

48:24It's not real yet. I hope it will be. I'm from real before the opening of a temple. Sorry. Okay. Will you explain what that is? I haven't heard about that. The transportation utility fee. Oh, it's um, so. And I know it's not real yet. Yeah, the theory is that it's so okay. Say it from the argument of someone who likes it.

48:51Okay. So from the perspective of someone who likes it, it's a fee that's calculated based on, let's say I'm a mall and I generate, you know, five, you know, five thousand cars, but my mall's tax exempt for whatever reason. I'm going to pay a fee based on five, like a per car fee essentially. So I'm going to pay for five thousand cars that drive on the road because those five thousand cars caused the road to, you know, degree.

49:22Now, I'm a single family homeowner. I'm going to pay lesser fee because I only have, you know, one car in my household. I generally, you know, almost no traffic. So what the city would do is you hire a consultant, they do a study, they figure out, you know, what all these different institutions generate this traffic. So you know, the main hangup is certain religious institution that has many facilities that generate a ton of traffic.

49:51And I think when certain cities in Utah County were looking at implementing a transportation utility, it kind of put an immediate help to it. The Utah Supreme Court upheld it as a legal tool, but that caused the legislature to say we are going to put guardrails on this tool potentially eliminate it. Those are the discussions right now.

50:11But other cities have done it successfully. I think we just have any dynamic here. There has to be a reason for the fee and the fee has to be structured. And the other argument has been some people want to call it a tax. We know it's a fee. Yeah, because it goes on to like. On side is that, oh, this is a tax. No, it's not a tax because a tax would be on everybody.

50:32This is a fee on the actual user. And it's a fee because you calculated based on I need sort of like impact. You can say I need $10 million to rebuild this road. I have 7,000 cars traveling on that road. Therefore, you do math and it's like how much per car would it be to pay for that road. I think where it gets dangerous is some cities were starting to use it just to plug holes in their road budgets.

50:56And that's where it gets less difficult to be. So I don't see that we would I don't worry about us not being divisible about it. But that's I think where. Okay. But we could have implemented this if we chose not to because of this dynamics. Okay, that's what I remember. And it has to be like the count. Seven days a week.

51:18We can only five days a week because there was negotiation about. And they're still they're still discussing that now. Okay. And ultimately this the city could say access the fee as the cost, but we are implementing a you know, you know, a smaller fee to help. So like we could. Well, and the way to go. Like the use the ability to use the fee that you collect is getting more narrower and smaller and smaller.

51:50So, you know, when you start, you can pay for anything. Now it's limited to a five year term. Well, there's no such thing as a five year bond. So what good is a fee if I'm not going to be able to bond for it and, you know, actually pay for the facility, the road facility. So, I think that's going to be the once negotiations are kind of figured out.

52:11I think that's going to be the tough nut for the city to crack is one, if we do it at all. And two, how to do it. Is the implementation of the fee like this an administrative choice? I mean, I think that you need both branches because you need that's actually another one of the discussions is like, you know, does the council have to vote to ratify?

52:33You know, what's the process for implementing and basically require seven gajillion public hearings before you can even think about it. Wasn't this being considered because the primary source historically for road money was through tax on gas when cars and trucks were all using it. Now that usage has dramatically declined thanks to the advent of electric, but the degradation of the road hasn't.

53:03And so at one point, wasn't there a discussion of actually using this to replace altogether the state gas tax? So just really quickly, the Class C generates, I don't know, four million a year, a million a year. Class C comes are the gas tax that they should have been referencing. And our street budget is like well in excess of 20 million, so it's not even close to enough money.

53:28It wouldn't even be close to ever. Never. Never. Never even close to it. It's had to kind of think there was a discussion at some point of withholding the Class C funds if a municipality decided to enact the tough. I mean, if you do it tough, you don't need Class C, you're welcome. But it's like the details. Our roads.

53:56Yeah, I remember the ways they heard it from. I know. There's some other discussions about taking away our Class B and C funds too. Yeah. So anyway, it's been suggested by the time. More to come on that. So that's being discussed right now during the legislative session. Yeah, I think that the negotiations go, like, they go to a minute and then back based on which legislator.

54:21And I've had a couple discussions at the league level at the board league board level. Yeah. And Schultz is determined to replace the gas tax off a gas and he wants the revenue. So he's going to go to the source, which I think is a different issue about legal silent, healthy, double taxation of gas producers. Yeah. Yeah.

54:44All right. Sorry. Sorry. Yes, no, it's just good. It's just good. So this is just when you pay sales tax in the city, these are all the entities that get a piece of that sales tax. So I just wanted to kind of map it out to see, like, here's what goes to the base funding to the city is just 1% of our total 8.7% sales tax.

55:09A lot of people are surprised to know that because the state really does get the lion's share of the benefit for any dollars spent in the city. And what, whatever was the justification for that? I don't know. I wonder if it kind of just was, if it started that way and just built over time. Like why would the state be like, well, now that this city's enacting more of a sales tax, that's a more of a burden on us.

55:35So we need to, what? I mean, they don't collect property tax. It's fascinating. I think someone can do like the master's thesis on all the different ways that states have kidded themselves and thinking like they can get around not. So like, we brag about like not having a low income tax. Yes. But the money's going to come from somewhere.

55:54Like the other states don't have property taxes, but they have like crazy high sales taxes. Yes. Other states have no income tax, but a crazy high property taxes. So it's just like someone got a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Funding about future in 2018. Yeah. Will you give me a little bit of rundown on how did that happen? It's also affectionately called the joy of getting the state allowed to add money to our budget.

56:30And then calls to makers decided to enact tax. Yeah, funding our future. Yep. And so when the council did that, there was a survey at the time they, you know, obviously feeling the pressure of having this additional tax. It's regressive. But if you could justify it by saying here are the things that you're telling us you want us to enhance in the city, we're going to make a commitment to you to be as transparent as possible about what this extra tax is going to fund.

56:58And so that's why we call it funding our future and it's limited to five categories. You speak for. What's that? You speak for. You speak for. And you guys have entire entire say over what those categories are and what are even to have. But there is sort of this like moral obligation. What are the categories? Public safety.

57:20So you, you added a bunch of police officers. I want to say like 50 police officers when you first enacted the tax. So public safety, so you funded some fire, some police, some of the social workers in the police program. Transportation. Infrastructure. How do you think you are? Parks. Owning a friend. Like, like what Victoria said about promises that were made like the whole.

57:52We did this whole thing going out to the community and all these meetings were. Saying that we're only going to do this for these priorities and we're never going to straight for these priorities. But then we added one more. Yeah, and then we added parks. Because we were like, well, parks, also I think, you know, people generally think that we do really way in the prior act.

58:20So there wasn't like. And the pot of money has grown so it's not that we're cutting down the contribution to the others in order to make room. Yep. I think that was important to me. I think a couple of promises to our neighbors and I mentioned that for years too. You know, I hate. One of the things that triggers me a lot is like public engagement on studies and doing studies about dreams that the city may have.

58:57And we still haven't even recognized a funding path to such project. And that to me is like asking the people what do they think of an ex project that we have no idea how to fund. At the same time we have all of the firm maintenance hanging over our head. So what authority does the council have over funding the vision and those studies that many of them, if not the majority of them, end up.

59:31You know, the ones that benefit from that are the consultants with the city hires. What can the city or we are body do? I think the council administration would likely want to respond by saying here are the reasons why it's important to do this study. And you might be compelled. So like, you know, sometimes like Glendale Park, like comes to mind.

1:00:06It's like without the sort of engagement from the community. You don't know what project actually just do. But we do tend to study ourselves a lot. Lots of studies. Well, I think the other thing Alejandro is pointing to is that in neighborhoods like ours, I'm sure it exists across the city, but especially in places where the voices haven't been heard, it becomes disenfranchising.

1:00:30They're not connecting the dots from the study they responded to in 2019 that's finally coming to pass now. And so in 2022 they stopped responding to QR codes and our request for information because they just don't see anything ever come to pass. And so as a policy, not only are we spending a lot of money together with this data, we're inadvertently undermining our institutional trust in the way we're spending the money.

1:00:59Because their lives aren't complex. My life is complex. I get to watch the dots. The dots are not something they're following. I'm really thinking back on the sales tax. I just wanted to point out the difference between the dramatic difference between the funding or future tax that was enacted by you guys and the Capital City Relayalization Tax.

1:01:22So the very public thinking the process you guys did for the federal future to like deliberate and be really thoughtful about how that money is used, we were voluntarily told to do that tax and what it could be used for. So that is governed by state law. So we don't have a choice about how that tax cancels. My favorite was when we got blamed for having a higher tax rate than everyone else.

1:01:44So this is just like a visual of how the tax split up. Through the taxation, this is another unique to Utah thing that has pros and cons all over the place I think several of you before. But I think everyone assumes that because their property values go up that they are paying more money and that's not how to do the tax tax rates for Utah.

1:02:11Great actually goes down. Sure. The property value goes up. So we get essential to your. So I call it a watermark and that's what we're guaranteed. It's a blessing it occurs. So during the 2009 real downturn as property values were taking, we as a city received the same amount of money now. Maybe that was not how whole jobs and things, but you know, we got the same amount of money.

1:02:34Now the exceptions that is new growth. And this is one of the things that some of the legislation is looking at not so much, which is very concerning to me because this is the only way that our budget, our property tax budget can grow without you guys deciding we are doing a tax increase. And the theory is that let's say you have a blank piece of property and 50 story office tower apartment tower gets built on it.

1:03:01Well, that is like 50 stories of new people who need fire police service who drive on roads. And so the way it works right now, our city gets to keep that benefit of a property going from a blank piece of property to high rise. What one of the pieces of legislation is considering is capping that amount. So instead of getting the full amount of like let's say the property tax bill when it was a blank piece of property was $100 and then it went up to $100,000 because now you have a very valuable piece of real estate, that would be capped at $200.

1:03:38So like a hundred percent increase. So we're concerned about that. We've shared our concerns. It makes no sense. Right? So we have a piece of land that is empty and it's X. But you can't have to realize it's gross. At the same time we are going to preempt your local land use to require you to accept more local. It's just fine.

1:03:55It's fine. They're competing so they just high priority. They will keep it. It's an increased density and clothing infrastructure necessary. So what I always say when I was bringing back to the table, do they believe that gross should pay for itself? It's kind of what it comes down to for me because if growth does not pay for itself, then it's the residents who are already here who are going to have to pay for that.

1:04:22The truth is even in this model the growth isn't paying for itself because it's after the growth has happened that they received the money. So no impact fee has ever paid the totality of the thing that needs to be put in. We are still using our money to supplement it. So the truth is we're still supplementing. So it's not even do you want growth to pay for itself.

1:04:41It's just in perpetuity do you think people who called Salt Lake City home should be subsidizing newer residents in business? And the same goes for impact. It is one way to do stuff. The paper the stuff we need to post new stuff. And that affects every city really. Which is a great thing. Actually I was going to say the discussions we've been having about the property tax conversation.

1:05:08Some of the most compelling arguments have come from these rapid growth cities that are like, you know, exploding in single family homes because they're like really facing the challenge of, you know, if I can't increase my budget and I have a thousand residents moving in. They will not have water. They will not have water.

1:05:27They're not really safe. Yes. This is just this pie chart shows how we compare the data hasn't been updated in a few years. They're where they're where but our city does have a higher property like our share of the property tax bill. The other cities and other cities will say well we have low. But it's because they're relying on their Costco to fund everything.

1:05:51So I like to think of it as like a balanced stool instead of a lovely stool. Like you kind of want a balanced stool. Well they also don't have like 40. They also don't have non-taxi. Exactly. Yeah. That's a huge part of it. But the other thing that shows is that the school districts make up a large portion of the pie.

1:06:09That's why I think honestly I think that's what this is here because several school districts increase their taxes dramatically. And that probably this impacts us probably more too because we have one city, one city, school district. Whereas other school districts are multiple cities so their administrative costs are spread out of five cities vice once any having the whole.

1:06:38Probably have milk creek. Come on. Not for the school district. We own a milk creek. The school district goes into milk creek. That's why their districts don't line up directly. Skylin's not in our school district. This is not when it goes into milk creek. Highland Park. Oh okay. Okay. For the next slide maybe in front of visual folks in the room maybe just skip to this slide.

1:07:06The school triangle side. Because this is how a lot of people grow in the room but you're understanding what taxing permit is. So there's this base that cities and counties and schools continue to get no matter if there's an RDA or not. And then the increased value is what the CRA collects during whatever investment term is agreed to.

1:07:27For some project areas it's 50 years. Like the downtown project area is extended. It may have been 40 years actually. But for other project areas it's shorter term. Some project areas are limited in terms of the amount. But in general this is the theory behind RDA's that they invest the money during that term so that it raises the overall revenue that taxing entities get at the end of the term.

1:07:52I think that this has been the challenging concept from some of the other taxing entities in our city. Not wanting to wait for that end of the term in order to receive that higher revenue. So the blue box blue triangle. Blue triangle is what we're still collecting that tax increment that tax from those properties. It's going directly to the CRA to spend in that area.

1:08:20In that CRA area. It's like a cyclical thing. You can put money into something to make it nicer. And the school. So that it's worth more so that it makes more money. And the school and the county have to also participate. They don't have to. They don't have to. They don't have to. But they're either not. Highly encouraged.

1:08:41Yeah. They can modify their participation though. They can modify and they have. The school district refused to participate in the state street project area. The county only approved very very reluctantly and with high limitations on what the CRA can spend on it. I will say I think it's the negotiation frustration with CRA's that has caused a lot of these other financing tools that have come to pass.

1:09:14So HTRZs if you look at that legislation you don't have to talk to the school district. You just take their money. And so I think that that's one thing that I wish other tax entities who care to be frustrated with the CRA also share that frustration with legislators who pass these tools because it is their money and it completely cuts them out of the process.

1:09:41So like they have zero say in what the money is being used for. I mean the legislation limits for example what HTRZs can be used for but schools have no say. So anyway. And the CRA's come bond against these future money right. So yeah that's a good point. I'll get into that when we get to the bond slide. It is it's like a and you can bond against any stream of revenue that's like ongoing.

1:10:03It is a little bit riskier. Next is the alphabet soup of state funding tools. All of hunger may be the best sticker ever. So tell me it's a financing tool. Because that is what almost every lobbyist says to me every legislative session that this new tool creates new money creates new money. So it's like good. Create new money.

1:10:43So it's all revenue diversion and that's revenue that otherwise would go to cities. And I think that Mary Beth and her name have been working on like a really the different revenue diversion. So if you go to that what? There's not no other thing. It's on the next. Yeah. Because it doesn't have an alphabet. Maybe. Yeah.

1:11:08It's just a straight line. Yeah I could have added you even to the alphabet. But in use fair you've buried it. Yep. So well it's like a block down memory as an actress. It is. And trauma. Yeah. So all of these are revenue diversion. It used to just be made up. It used to just be made up. And I think that this is the lesson of financing tools is that they are like Frankenstein's that don't die.

1:11:31And usually it evolved. They evolved because a developer or someone is frustrated with whatever tax it is. That's usually. Now it's not always. I do think HDRZ started in a maybe somewhat more pure place where people recognize the need to like incentivize more dense more more intentional done development around transit.

1:11:58But then HDRZ we turned into the capital city revitalization zone which has neither housing nor transit. So it's more like a like a flu virus. You know it's a back every year but it's a death. It's a death. It's a death. It's a very independent. It's a different. It's a different. So this is another place that really frustrate me because we catch all of their levels of government but like go talk to the legislators.

1:12:28We are always. The fair part one is going to add 10,000 units worth of it to a school district that will forever be a beggar at the table. In perfect. You will receive zero money to this term is. Mass ticketing different. I wanted to. I wanted to. I just, I'm here to split, there are slight differences in how each of these divert money.

1:12:50So, Yuiba is now the good kid at the table. Yeah, yes. Yuiba, it only takes all of the property taxes and they don't even take all of our property taxes anymore. We have successfully negotiated an interval where we get an increasing share of the property taxes, our property taxes, which is what we wanted the Yuiba to be.

1:13:12That is what we wanted the Yuiba to be instead it ended up the opposite. So now they get all the property tax, all the sales tax, they're building hotels there and they took our transient room tax. The transient room tax is one of the other ones we get money from people in the name of the city. But you better believe we're gonna have the streets club at starting at 80% AMI.

1:13:30And then, you know, I think that there might be opportunity in the future for like a negotiation of, hey, can you do us a solid and like recognize that and maybe get a new contract with them to pay for some of those services. But they're not gonna help do that and I think they're, they wanted all of that tax diverted because they're doing nothing 100 just asked about which is they needed to be able to go to a bank and say here's all the money I wanna bond against because I need $2 billion today.

1:14:00And here's how I'm gonna pay for it. I said I need all this money. That's what they do. Another agent. People pick themselves up at their bootstraps and they'll invite themselves. Another entity that is, we forget that it doesn't get money as a mosquito abatement. Oh, yeah. And last year we had to approve them to,

1:14:21no approved. They don't have to, you didn't have to approve that they had to inform you. Yeah, we had to be informed about their intent to increase taxes for everybody in South City

1:14:32because the revenue, their service area, I mean, they're servicing more area because there is areas that were not habitable before. No, there are. But they're not getting the money from those areas because of these tools. So everybody else is subsidizing those districts. So a lot of times people were, so okay. Was that what that fund, all that funding said?

1:14:57Funded? Funded. When we think about like what, how the council can finance, these are the kind of questions that go around in my mind that I usually watch with whoever's I get is it like how much money is needed? So like what's the ballpark? Are we talking about a $10,000 thing or are we talking about a $45 million thing?

1:15:18That's very good, right? How long is that funding needed? Is it like a, you need to build something or is it like a, we need to hire less more people? Who's, it's a one time wrong going? Who's benefiting from the investment? So a lot of times that will, if there's a very specific group of people or area that's been getting from a specific investment, that makes different tools make more sense.

1:15:44And then who's should are in the burden of the investment? And can they should work the burden of the business? So like for example, we had a conversation about maybe doing an essay along the nine line trail at ninth and ninth west. And the board at the time had a pretty intentional conversation that does not explore that tool necessarily because this is an area that can't afford to see more, but probably still need the investment.

1:16:09So it's just one of those balancing. So on this chart, this is my like, someone always creates, right? Yeah. A lot of times people, a lot of times people will say like a tool and like I said, think that it creates money and they don't realize that like they're the ones paying. So I think we had this experience honestly with the central line folks about like thinking that an essay meant like city money.

1:16:37You money, you money appears. You money appears. You have to pay. They unlocked previously. Walked up funds. So I don't know if we do go through all of this and we can, you know, I think we're getting close to time. Yeah, we're close to time. So I'm gonna just, if you guys wanna go through that, I can't, but maybe really quickly, let's just go through the bonds a couple of times.

1:17:03So the most common bonds and geo bonds and bill test bonds, and I have a couple of bonds just explaining the difference of each. In my opinion, it kind of all comes down to interest rate. Yes. Because you can use any tool you want, but why pay more if you don't have to. And so that's actually the calculation. I think we make a lot of, when we talk about CRA bonds, is if we're doing the project that's in the interests of the city, it really makes sense for the city to bond because the city can get a better interest rate than the RDA could, even if it means the RDA is reimbursing the city.

1:17:35So actually that's how we paid for the North Temple Biodat, shortening the North Temple Biodat to get tracks to the airport.

1:17:43The CRA drew a project area, and this was before all of those apartments went up, but the city took the risk of issuing the bonds because we knew it was a time sensitive project that had to be done in conjunction with tracks. And the RDA agreed to essentially reimburse the city for any amount of tax increment that was generated in that area for the first couple of years.

1:18:02And then the city was paying most of the debt service on that bond. But now that area is generating a lot of increment and is fully covering the bond. So yeah. And the note that bonds are one-time money. A lot of times, and to your point earlier, sometimes when it bonds for a project, we're guaranteeing future costs because we need to maintain whatever bond it for.

1:18:28Well, and it doesn't feel like one-time money because there are different tranches. And so sometimes you're like, ooh, ooh, money. There's also more restrictions, right? Like you can't use, I wanted to explore bonds to do loans for house repairs, which is kind of the way Atlanta and we can't do that. We can't use bonds to repair fees.

1:18:50We can use it in new equipment, which is why Liberty Park has a new playground and not a repaired one. Like bonds have a lot of restrictions on what they can't and can't be spent on. And then if you're bonding for something that will eventually need partnering with a private entity, you have to turn it into a taxable bond, which also increases the interest ratio.

1:19:10So when we talk about public-private partnerships, a lot of times that's where things get complicated. It is, all right, it's three o'clock. I want to be respectful of your time.

1:19:26But also happy to take a question. And happy to revisit any of these. At any time, you know me. I will talk about our budget and me and all things. Quick question, the bonds obviously come. You know, there is a lot of protections that the city gets from bonds, right? Like in some ways like protections that I'm talking about, protecting our interest.

1:19:51Versus the state. So it's a versus the state. So we are in a contract. So when we have an area that is bonded for whatever project, the state can no break that contract that we have. That is accurate. So that is a tool that sometimes we explore to ensure that we can finish a project when we are afraid that the state might want to go a different direction.

1:20:12And the city has bonded many times over and paid those bonds over time. And one of those that was somehow controversial was the city building, the city hall back in the day. They wanted to repair that building. And it was, you know, it was a bond that the council decided barely. Or three though. Yes, we almost destroyed that building.

1:20:38Wow. And the 80s, which is the most horrible time to destroy a building I'm building. But so bonds are a tool to be able to cover, we have used bonds to cover the firm maintenance in the past or no. Once, oh, the only wind deferred maintenance gets to that level I was talking about earlier where it's like so something.

1:21:01So bonds can be used to cover, like I'm trying to think of an example, like a street is, needs a ship seal. That's not. That's not bondable. If a street has not gotten a ship seal for so many years. And now it needs to be reconstructed. How did they apply to the city hall though? Because it needed to be fully reconstructed.

1:21:23It needed to be fully like base isolated. And I think actually our recent sales tax bond did some of the stonework, which I think you could put in your mind doing stonework is maintenance, but because it was $9 million worth of stonework, it was bondable. Interesting. So there is a threshold there where like it becomes a little diagram where something that is maintenance could feel like it justified.

1:21:50Right. And we work with the, we have bond council and we have a financial advisor that we pay the very 50s of money to give us advice about those things. The administration works with them very regularly in terms of like here are the things on the horizon. And for me on the Bond side of the house, we had a discussion a few months ago about what bonds are.

1:22:17What bonds are expiring? Expiring. Yes. And so that what can we bond that doesn't increase the property taxes because of the bonds expiring? And what do we need to bond? And what, excuse me, not what we do need to bond. What do we want to bond? And how big that bond is. Without a crisis. Yes. We visit that. Yeah. And then we are.

1:22:40I can read about the presentation. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because I think especially as soon as we have that discussion with the transportation streets guys on the OCI index and their estimates on what we need to do to get our streets up to practice standard. Yeah. I'll read that again. And I think it's something to think about.

1:23:01And remember when you're talking about tax burden because you do not have to go out for a deo bond. Just when something's expiring, you could allow the property taxes to go down. I think people accurately read that if someone was used to paying a hundred bucks, they'll continue being used to paying a hundred bucks. But I think the more people are squeezed, it's a reasonable conversation to have.

1:23:29Yes. There's always the argument that when the techs go up, they never go down. Yes. OK. I appreciate this fresh enough of the tools that we have. And you know that it's a good thing when we have more questions. So I have more questions for you. But we're going to get to them. So thank you so much. We have now. A big contaminant break.

1:23:53Yes, a break. Yeah. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. Butts and seeds, 320. Actually 12 minutes. Yeah, that was very helpful. Stretch. That's good. Like that. Here's your next handout. Thank you. OK. Yeah. That's good. OK. Great. Good. Thank you. OK. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. I appreciate it. Give me a little help. I'm going to go.

1:24:57Right. Ready. Do you have a minute? Yes. Let's go. Hi. How are you? Yes. I'm proud of you. I'm standing here. I'm standing here. I'm standing here. I'm standing here. I'm standing here.

1:25:41I'm just trying to find the training. I'm trying to get the transportation. Oh, my God, I need to ask you. OK, so real quick. So what are the things? I've been talking about the whole thing. I've been talking about the things that have been contained in my 20 years of inspiration. I'm a part of the big deal. Georgia, Florida, Florida.

1:26:04Oh, no, you're nice. So what did you want to do over there? So, that corner. That's what's true. That's why. That was the RDA thing, so how hard is that? I don't know. That's what this is now. That was the key to start the first Christmas night on the weekend. I will add that note some beyond the song. I guess the county doesn't know what the weather is.

1:27:06Maybe it's a forest. I think it's built for development. Here's the pick one next to this. I guess the options are good. Cool.

1:27:54That's what it's like.

1:28:31Playlist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. simply sharing facts or figures or a list of something. And so when we were thinking about a fun way to share our couch, each of our craft member priorities, I learned and brought up this new story exercise.

1:35:10Now sometimes, we don't like what comes out of the news. Or sometimes, it may not tell the full picture of what the issue is. But we, in our small little exercise here, get to decide what the story is. And so each of you should have this 11 by 7 in front of you. And on your cheat, you have some prompts to help you think about.

1:35:37It's December, 2026. Final issue of young, not final issue. But for the year issue of young magazine, yeah, yeah, magazine. I love it. What's going to be the headline? What's going to be the story from your time in office this year? And it's not going to be exhaustive. And there may be some things that you just began this year that's specific to your district or your priorities.

1:36:06But it's a good summary of those activities. Each council member will have some time to fill this out. I encourage you to get creative. What's the headline going to be? What are the main points in the article? What's an image or video that encompasses? That priority or those priorities are the theme of your priorities from here.

1:36:29Here you can draw. You can use stick people. You can do whatever. The intention is that we're doing something that gets us out of our usual mode of thinking in office. And I'm looking at Sarah, because Sarah does this, some of the stuff, education background. What are some support details about that story? What's the talk of the town?

1:36:54Wow, let's talk of the town. District 3 resident says, this is a thing I could wait for forever. I'm so glad that council member Warren prioritized this. And then what's an image or video that describes kind of the talk of the town? So we're going to have about 10 minutes each of us will play some music to fill this out.

1:37:16And then each person, I'm going to make you stand up and share the news story or the news vision of your time this year. So we're doing it just on this non-automistice. Just on this. Missed for on this district side. On your district side. So this is the way we're connecting to our outcomes. This year are the district priorities.

1:37:37And to learn of each other's priorities. One thing is while we're each sharing our part two lines. They have a district. They have a story to tell too. While we're each sharing our priorities, we've got a council staff who's going to be listening for where there might be some synergy across our districts. And so this will also be a little bit of a roadmap for us to think about how we might want to work together.

1:38:12Any questions? You all look so excited. I already work on it. You're already working on it. Any questions? And all right. So let's just 10 minutes. Yeah, 10 minutes to work on our story. You got this? OK. Just tell me from what you want to do. I have my own case. I'm going to make sure. Yes, I'm straight. All right. A good generation of you.

1:38:53Oh, and don't forget to name your publication, whatever you want it to be. OK. Oh, god, the levels of pressure. I know. I know. I'll push at the edge here. Wait, so I have to pick a one from my district. I can't pick your priorities. I want to say to you. Oh, no, no, you can pick anything. It could go a couple of times.

1:39:10OK. Yes. It could be the L-A-times. There we go. OK. So sugar man. I don't need this or that, but I'm caving it. OK.

1:39:52Oh, yeah. All right. All right. I took my shoes. I've seen this. I've seen this before. I'm taking my clothes. I'm taking my clothes. Don't put that. I'll just pick this at generation. OK. It's an important question. This is so good. Who picked this one? I don't remember. I don't know. That's what I was trying to take here.

1:41:05Oh, Darren. It might have been a Sarah. Oh, Darren apparently. Oh, Darren. Yes, that's right. So this is the headline. This is the video. And what this is. Main points in the article. Yeah.

1:44:2330 minutes left. Does that feel like time? Oh, my God. OK, seven minutes, seven minutes. Now, supporting details. Supporting details. What am I supposed to do in red in red? You can just see it. What do I go here? What does it go here? More details on this? Yeah, more details on this. More details, yeah. I can now even color.

1:46:49I'm just writing in color. You're actually making a picture? I did. Yeah. It's your age music. It's good music. The best music. It's got about three minutes left. Yeah. Image over here. Another one. I got there. The buzz. Oh, okay. It's okay. Oh, of course. Did you fucking overshoot? Of course you did. Oh, my God. So you're going to go first.

1:50:59You're going to go first. I'm done. Call me an Uber. I can just imagine what Sarah's going to do over there. We'll have you go first, so the rest of us. Nice. It's beautiful. Nice. I've been drawing on a long time. I'm sorry. You know, man. I got a little bit. I am officially Amy Bauer. I am a senior woman. Stop to think.

1:51:26I'm from being an Ecton. You are not talking. Take my harkies from me! I'm officially Amy Bauer. I understand her. I get her. Oh, my God. Stop. Oh, that's the most costly thing I've said. Okay. That's okay.

1:52:03You make it a poster. It's like, already called.

1:52:10Oh my gosh. I was red. Red.

1:52:21Look, there are different colors. I saw it. There's so cute.

1:52:58Alright, look, Casos, if you're not done, you can finish it later. But this is a good time to transition and just hear what each person has shared. Yup, yup, yup, perfect. Council member Young, since you are ready to go, would you kick us off? I'm happy, too. Wow. Can we just stop with her? I know. I need a poster. Of course you did.

1:53:38Yeah. Well, that's not fair. I know. Yay, whoa. Wow. It's like a new poster. Oh my god. I thought that was where we were going with it. That's great. Here it is. Okay, so I think we're District 7. We're super excited to be like on the precipice of having things completed and being able to celebrate some of those pieces and to see it translate into hopefully the benefits that are coming, you know, for the community members who have kind of weathered those storms.

1:54:12So Sugar House streets? Done? Yes. Super excited. Like to me. Super excited for that in terms of both creating not just safety for folks who are down there and some other travel, but the improved walkability. You know, it's something that I know the city has focused on in terms of air quality and really using the policy tools we have related to, you know, trying to create an environment where people don't always feel the need to get in their cars.

1:54:45And so we're excited to see that come to fruition. Small businesses supported. That's one of the things I love most about our city is that we take the time to not just support the individuals who, you know, may already have a big footprint, but we are supporting individuals who have a dream to be able to, you know, start their business here in Salt Lake City.

1:55:12And so making sure that we're providing assistance with opening and recovery to keep businesses thriving. We have a lot of experience with that and the challenges we faced in D7. And so I'd love to work with you guys to be proactive about the future areas of the city that are undergoing development and what we can do to be more on the front end of being able to proactively help those businesses as opposed to us like waiting for them to reach out and say like we're drowning.

1:55:41So excited about that. Perks and open spaces. Good Lord. Really excited to see the new pavilions going up in Sugar House, replacing some of the old ones. It's been great to see the city matching the county homes in those spaces. Alan Perks getting a water line. I know that the residents and the neighbors in the area have been concerned about that for a really long time and we'll see those improvements go.

1:56:06And then, let's be, let Fairmont Park exist with some improvements that are on the way, especially when it comes to safety and the safety concerns that are pretty regularly expressed there. I think that when we have a vision of the concept map that we're getting here shortly to be able to then make plans for the construction in 2027 that we'll see that kind of benefit some of the existing concerns.

1:56:35Also coming soon, probably not by the end of 2026. So we have the Fairmont Heights Affordable Senior Housing that we're getting, which is super great. So phase one should be like nearing completion near the end of 2026 or early 2027. That'll be a huge win for our district in terms of being able to have a very specific opportunity for affordable housing that's not just near the park, but near the Esslein Extension, near shopping and is really targeted at some of our seniors who don't always have the same access and ability to apply in the online setting that others do.

1:57:14Sugar House Public Safety. So we talk a lot about public safety across the city, but as we've started to see more pockets and needs, we've been able to shift some of our resources to other areas of the city, which has been great. And I think that the Chief Leave at least has a vision to backfill with some smaller kind of apparatus, which I think is a great solution.

1:57:41And I'd love to see how we're thinking about safety systemically and making sure that the resources are being prioritized in the city, but also finding maybe more cost effective solutions for other areas of the city. So we're going to be able to see police. I know that they're working really closely with our chat teams and our social work teams and some of those other aspects, but just making sure we have those comprehensive services that are available across the city because not only does that benefit Sugar House, but it benefits the residents who need those additional layers of support.

1:58:15It's funny to listen to the Nine Line conversation because we're like, not us, we're doing it. So Sugar House is moving forward with an SAI process in terms of looking at starting with just the taxable entities being in the business sector, so more of the majority landowners, not including the multi-family units that would most likely pass those taxes along to their renters.

1:58:43So we're really focused in on that area, but we think that there's an opportunity there related to being able to answer some of the calls for additional services, kind of some of the downtown alliance style ambassadors at a much smaller scale, just to be able to address some of the needs that we're seeing there. So yeah, that is, I already did these happen.

1:59:05I love it. Thank you. Thank you. It's a fantastic job. Yes, Ted, it's Ted Plus. And what was the name of your publication? It was District Staff on Lippert. Awesome. Thank you. Anybody have any questions for the council member Young? Other than nobody wants to go after her? All right, who's up next? We'll go in order.

1:59:31All right. Oh, damn. So the high bar, the next bar down. Two colors. Red. Blue. So my partisan. Exactly. I'm going to put a timer on. So what kind of stuff? Nick is turning. Oh, you got timing? Okay, great. Oh, great. Great. Oh, thank you all. He likes to blow. Yeah, exactly. Danny's district. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

2:00:10Yeah. Very simple. I'm not even close to what Ali has. I mean, the new headlines, district streets get a facelift. We need a lot of street maintenance. My district. We get a facelift. Donna Park has a new Cool Art project going in. And it's going to be installed. A lot of controversy behind that. But I'm excited about having that done.

2:00:33Sunnyside gets a new field. Another big park. Big theme here in a second here. Longs go brown as the district saves over 50% of the water. over the year. Main points, this is a school bus, actually a UT bus and a bike rider, with other transportation and more people on the bikes. Main points, take care of people with new streets, great parks and water going to the Great Salt Lake. The Frays Jordan Center House, I'd love to see what I'm calling the EDX, East Bench Transit. They have the OGX and they have the Pro Bowl one, I want the EDX along the Wasatch and Tupa. The bus is down the foothill to the University and the hospitals. The bus is a town, of course the Utah Renewable Communities gets approved, the next section across the board there. We're going green in

2:01:30this blue and red state. Millard Bird Refuge Project gets finishing touches, that CIP project is for the first. Let it be. Let it be. And since 2018 and then I know this is going to be shocking for you who have housing, housing breaks ground on 13 south and foothill. Shocker. How dense is this housing? It's both of them. It's all of it. All of it. All of it.

2:02:00Love it. That's my short spiel. We are going in order. Okay. So, Victoria would like to go next. Being the one to bring this activity to you all, I didn't think about it a lot beforehand. So, this is Carlson Times. And named after my dad and my stepdad of course. I'm honoring those. Headline is Housing Parade in District 5 and there's some kind of lower headline that says, new businesses love the growth and feel supportive. Yeah. And feel supportive. And parks investments move forward.

2:02:55So, there's an expansion of wealth building opportunities like Perpetual Housing Fund in District 5 that lead to steadier neighborhoods. There is a stronger ordinance of really tackling long term vacant and blighted properties that are drained on neighborhoods in the cities. As applicants are applying for affordable housing, they are seeing less fees, application fees that they have to pay for while they're going through the affordable housing process.

2:03:27Or in some cases getting those fees refunded, making it not making it a double tax on folks who are seeking affordable housing. And all this housing stability and housing hooray leads to neighborhoods where neighbors feel more connected to each other in a greater sense of pride and place. We're seeing Jefferson Park upgrades move forward faster than anticipated and leading more people to use the park.

2:03:55And kids are so excited to be playing on the new playground at Liberty Park. You can see in my fictional world the timeline is accelerant. It's like, you know, we dream. We're seeing more family size housing in District 5 because of the sum of the zoning reforms that we move through coming online. And coming soon, community emergency preparedness plans are in place where residents are feeling excited and ready to respond in the event of an emergency and the expansion of our cert programs.

2:04:30The buzz, talk of the town. I never thought that I'd be able to buy a house. And that's a long term resident of Salt Lake City. Someone else says, I'm so glad that vacant and blighted house is widely addressed. So now we can have our neighborhood back. And then of course, a small business owner who says, I love doing business in District 5.

2:04:54And the image or video is close housing things together, maybe not as dense as we would like, but three little houses. And somebody says, we love District 5. Really a sense of pride and place in the neighborhood. And the image is a family in housing of some kind and says, is this really our home? Okay. Okay. Thank you.

2:05:18Thank you. I think I should go next because if I go last, it would be a real big downer. You're going to have to have a. So District 1, I don't I don't want to have time for creativity. I spent my entire weekend on the phone with Lucy and Jenny Wilson and Mayor Midon Hall. So I'm just it's not my headspace. I'm really excited for you all that you have the headspace.

2:05:50But I'm in a time and honor me and where I am right now and not push myself to do things that don't need the energy. So any headline, anything has to do about protection. And the levels of protection, we in District 1, the people who I'm concerned about are the people who are the mothers that I see on a daily basis when I'm dropping my kids off at the title one school.

2:06:11People who don't show up in our halls, who don't have time. People who show up for my district, we know what they think. They've got to talk TikTok usually. But my headline, what happens is something about protection. And so we need to protect my neighbors from federal overreach, which I think we're having a real less conversation about.

2:06:31We need to get to a position of action. We need to protect them from displacement, whether it's by coordinates and actually making driving in place, a document that lives or by checking ourselves on taxation and fees and the ways we are putting pressure on homeowners. We need to protect them from environmental degradation and this is becoming more and more reality out on the 22 West corridor where we still have an amazing number of side dumpers.

2:07:02And I don't have the resources or ability to stop it. We need to protect them from historical patterns of negligence and disregard, which goes back to what Alejandro and I were saying earlier about asking for opinions and never doing anything with them or asking them for opinions on things that we can't actually change.

2:07:22I hate when we do hearings and we know we have nothing to do about it. I get that they're sometimes legally required, but I hate when we have hearings knowing that we can't do anything different. It really is frustrating to me. But these patterns of negligence and disregard, I'm going to protect them from it. I need to protect my businesses from interruptions because 7 North is the new 21 South and Casa de Pojo is going to close.

2:07:46They have called me in tears and I've gone into their restaurant. I'm going to lose my only economic note because we couldn't phase street construction so that we could get it done at once. I need to protect them from damaging narratives because it becomes sensationalized when things like what happened over that church happened and it becomes that we are just the home of violent brown people.

2:08:09We need to protect them from systems like ours in this room that refuse to do difficult introspection and that preserve a status quo that's not received from the city. So that's not responsive to 21st century realities. We have to innovate revenue streams that are not property tax dependent so that we can invest. It is not that what we say we want is bad.

2:08:31It's not that I want to be the wet blanket all the time saying I don't think this new project is what we need to spend on. It's that we can't always be going back to the same well. The 21st century we live in a world where trickle down economics has been given half a century to screw things up. I can't fix that in two terms on city council.

2:08:51But what I can do is make sure that I'm creative enough and rise to these 21st century problems so that we are not inadvertently displacing people by using 20th century solutions to 21st century problems. So the supporting details and the things we would say, like no ice facility, they don't want to see ice activity. If they decide that 1600 people are coming here and I don't know if they are and they decide that the west side is far enough from the temple.

2:09:21I want us twice as active as we've ever been on anything taking risks that we've never taken before because that's where the river meets the road. I want manageable tax and fees and when we have to implement fees I want us to implement them in a way that don't cause people to compromise their own dignity to get relief.

2:09:40People having to fill out forms saying that even if they work two and three jobs they're still too broke to pay their water bill is a compromise to their dignity. I want fee structures that are responsive to the fact that some families live two and three generations to one house and just showering in laundry is going to be equivalent to watering a lawn for them and how do we protect them.

2:10:04So again this is why I went now because I'm the downer. I got it. I'm not taking anything to change my mood because I'm going to push through and be creative and help during this. But that's my district one report. Thank you for that. Thank you. Thank you for honor.

2:10:26I'll just count up where we're going. Bring us back up. You got it. The news and the headline is green space with a dollar sign on the S. New money from innovative financing tool covers all parts of the public and projects in the city.

2:10:59You're bringing us up. Big time. The main points are public city and new financing tools. New money not locked. JB says. Do this one trick. Any details. Jembrunos done. All parts projects fully funded. No tax increase needed ever. Cemetery master plan fully underway. Storage memory grow. And writing. Here's a picture of someone throwing a ball and a little cord running after it.

2:11:41Brain store is brackets, data, knock down, axle, backs and budget realities pending. It is an actual thing. And over or more on the sporting details, hikers, and bikers, unleash and off leash dog owners all come together and friendship. Wow. Yes. Yes. Council celebrated. It's one of the most part of the parts in all history.

2:12:04And it's also elated. Legislators can see it's probably city's best friend city in America. Everyone who ever said anything critical about council member or sport park is fully apologetic. We got a deal. You got a deal. Chris, you got a deal. You got to say it with these moments. Thank you. Thank you. I'll take it. Miss my turn.

2:12:41Is it? Yes. No more drama. I'm so excited. The West Side celebration for you. And I need to read it, so there's nothing to read to secure. The headline says, the gridlock from gridlock to gallery place. West Side investment in rail blockages, retail and art is one of the headlines. The headline talks about less waiting, more living, West Side rail fixes, bring shops, arts and new energy.

2:13:17And there's a beautiful picture of people crossing the train with smiles. Which is, you have a great opportunity to see this. This is a high-speedment copy I have. So, nice. I'm a nice week for you to want. The point talks about city plus private plus quasi-public entities like the NNIV invest on comprehensive training for technology as one of the main points.

2:13:45Our Arts Council refocuses the, what am I writing here? Into investing in more public art on the West Side. First business node between, with first West Side business node, and my district at least, four South to 900 South on 900 West, bring some amenities, shops and vibrancy. And then the sporting details talks about a little bit more about those crossings.

2:14:18All crossing sub-sensors now, so people can plan ahead and minimize delays. The RDA bought properties and brought important investment on the West Side to bring amenities to thoughtful visioning and place making art, owners' website heritage in the future. So those are the things that many of us have worked for a while, so I'm very glad to see this here.

2:14:44And the bus talks about, come to the West Side, you will be surprised again. And, yes, you won't get a price stop by the train. And another of the buses says, I'm the city D&M decid deadline, yay. And then another person talks about, they can finally buy socks on the West Side, which is something that apparently used to be a thing.

2:15:09I can't even buy socks on the West Side, but now maybe they can. And the last image is the person with a little phone, and the phone says that it's the train blockage ahead, go have some coffee on the 9th and 9th and West Side. And people are happy there. That's right. That's the first time I got an applause for drawing something.

2:15:36Now I know that council member Chavez Lopez Chavez also sent along an audio or video of her priorities, so we're just going to take a moment to bring her voice into the room and to listen to her priorities. I know it's a party speaker. I know it's a terrible, it's happening. I wish I was a good party at home. It's very urban and it's growing rapidly.

2:16:15But we have a few issues, including affordability. I have a look at the neighbors today that are having difficulty paying their public utility bills, paying for electricity, water, let alone. Many of them are on fixed incomes. We're going fast. The question isn't whether change is coming, whether we eat it in a way that keeps people housed, business is open, and neighborhoods hold.

2:17:08That's why both leadership from the read. So we can do is we don't have to see it as long as you can, like the sound plays it. Start of it. Can you text it to us? You just weren't sure if anyone didn't hear it. When it was in war, Columbia? Yeah. How far is it in the conversation? Development agency and from the city council is very important today.

2:17:48I do want to recognize that the Rio Ram Plan is a once in a generation opportunity to reconnect our neighborhoods along public lands. When we imagine the parkour city has the CRA vice chair this year. It's going to be really important that we include this in the central station area. One more and try it out. No worries.

2:18:14I'm curious, while they're pulling up the audio for this, anybody noticing any themes or new insights or reflections just from what we've shared thus far? You notice business support, Victoria, Sarah, I mentioned a little bit of some of the businesses thing too, so I feel like this. I feel like there's a lot of that going on.

2:18:39Sounds like small business support, especially right now is a theme. What are some other things? Oh yeah, go for some. No, I didn't mention that, but that plays a theme for the CRA. Yeah. So I think for me as well. I think the utilities, the water, it's one of those things. It's not a tax, it's killing our people, and it's a resource that we, I mean, I haven't had a snowflake this year.

2:19:03I think it's the decisions we're going to have to make our catastrophic this year. Yeah. Hey, City Council, sorry I can't be there today, but do want to share district force priority. As you know, it's been amazing representing this district. It's very urban and it's growing rapidly, but we have a few issues, including affordability.

2:19:28I have a lot of neighbors today that are having difficulty paying their public utility bills, paying for electricity, water, let alone. Many of them are on fixed incomes, and salt like cities at a crossroads. We're going fast. The question isn't whether change is coming, whether we need it in a way that keeps people housed, business is open and neighborhoods hold.

2:19:47That's why both leadership from the re-development agency and from the City Council is very pertinent today. I do want to recognize that the Rio Grande plan is a once in a generation opportunity to reconnect our neighborhoods, unlock public lands and re-imagine the part of our city. As the CRA vice chair this year, it's going to be really important that we include this in the central station area plan.

2:20:11And that vision clearly shows up in district court. Again, it means investing no for dollars into attainable home ownership, condos and town homes. So families aren't being locked out of building wealth, nor are they being kept away from our neighborhoods. That means our investing our economic development loan fund to support our local entrepreneurs and not just these large projects.

2:20:35And that's because our neighbors know how to create value, both as entrepreneurs and as community members in our district. We overcame one of the wildest fires we've ever seen that hit and directly affected Main Street. Can't wait to celebrate it with each of you at White Horse and to share some oysters for the grand reopening.

2:20:56That means protecting Main Street is essential in making sure that we are investing CRA dollars in both stabilizing Main Street and helping with tenant improvements and mitigating some of the construction. It's absolutely imperative that Salt Lake City protect its Main Street along with other boulevards such as Harvey Milk Boulevard.

2:21:18It's not just a name, but it's an actual living commitment to the inclusion, safety and belonging that Harvey Milk himself tested for you. A portability isn't just affecting many of our families or our young people, it also affects our seniors. The fact that KEMC Gardener Policy Institute shared is 83.8% of homeowners in Salt Lake City are above the age of 65.

2:21:41So as we think about raising property tax, I also want to think about the fact that our city is aging and many of our seniors are on fixed incomes. Here in our district, we share a lot of those values and want to make sure that our seniors be with dignity and with the services to provide. So I'm proud that in District 4, we rallied hundreds of seniors and myself.

2:22:01Went to go testify to the County Council and were able to protect and save the 10th these seniors center. Now, that's just one piece of critical infrastructure in the district, but we want to make sure that we continue investing in senior housing, both using line tech and the NOFA to prepare for these future projects.

2:22:20I think we need to start thinking creatively about both the future families of Salt Lake City and those that built the city and deserve to age in place. The same urgency applies to some of our other neighborhoods, such as in ballpark, granary, and not on the 9 line and in other neighborhoods as well. So I know as your colleague, I'm going to be fighting alongside you to protect our working families and our workers.

2:22:44I also want to give a shout out to some of our new union members, the local library. It's really important that we support our workers during this time. I know that we have the tools in place to respond to some of these economic symptoms. Thank you. Okay, I know mine was a little fanciful, but I need to correct something on there.

2:23:15Mine is all about financing existing plans that are just very ambitious, but nevertheless, so I want to just focus on that's what when we get into my priorities. It's going to be a lot about maintenance over newness, but and then I think that that ties in with a lot of what others were saying about maintenance and with Jen's presentation.

2:23:46I just wanted to correct that because it says new projects. They didn't intend it for it to be focused on new projects. I think it connects. I think it connects from projects. Right. The terrible versus the ultimate bull. Right. It's very real. You're talking about something that connects with whatever to be creative, Victoria.

2:24:04Talk about that too. It's about creative creativity to be able to accomplish some of these goals. I have to tell you as we talk about creativity, often the answer is let's go look for grants. If we are looking for grants for new projects that are nice, but not looking for grants that are going to help with public utilities relief, paying off some of that infrastructure first, we don't have to do some increases.

2:24:27I don't think we are using grants in the right way, and that's an oversight that I will verbalize regularly. Thank you for that. Any other reflections coming up or clarifications for the record? I think that for me, many other things that I mentioned seem new, they're not. They're like a conclusion of these things that we started many years ago.

2:24:55I don't know if many of these things will be concluded this year, but it's a future hope that we move in the right, in the keeping that direction to get there. It's to get this ninth and ninth business note type of thing that the city has been visioning for a decade on the West Side. We have almost all the building tools to get there.

2:25:19It's minimizing the impact of trains. We started the leader on that, and a little bit of a policy discussion for us, which is talking about the role of public art versus event management and whatnot. I took it that way, a culmination of things that have been in the works for a long time, but we haven't seen it. I just want to jump on what Victoria was talking about, the creativity side of the house.

2:25:51The house bill 195 last year, I think that really will have to make us more creative on how we continue to make our streets multimodal safer while still not getting punished from above. Yes. Because our city demands that, and we should also be demanding that, and not box ourselves into being, there's only one answer. We've got to be a little creative on how we do that, because back to the for maintenance, if we don't get there, it's going to get more and more expensive, and then it's going to be difficult, more and more challenging to get to where we want to get to on our streets on our house.

2:26:43Safety Center house, bike trains, walking, yada yada yada. Sorry. Yada yada yada. I think this might be a good place for us to just pause, maybe take a very quick stand up and stretch break before we transition to talking about technology, and technology can help us in supporting our goals. Anything else you'd add before we close this?

2:27:12No, I know I wanted to talk a little bit about the technology, but I can talk about that one. Just a four minute break, we'll come back at 420. You have a lot of crayons here, I know Ella's probably not quite ready for crayons yet, and I'm not sure if you have a wall that's ready for crayons yet. I think we got to our priorities way faster than we often did.

2:27:46Really? I mean, it took hours. Really? You should see the sticky note. It was just this gigantic thing of walls, sticky notes. And this is more connection. Yeah, I'm seeing some sometimes. I wanted to do that. I wanted to do this. They're more accurate than the rules. Yeah. They want to get a small motor skills. Yeah.

2:28:12City is our sister city. We'll make them use your thumb and make them use our other stuff. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, we'll do it fast, too. I can see why we're working. I want to take it down. Yeah. I want to take it down. I'm going to dry and cross my ears. Yeah, I'm going to do it. Okay, it's okay. I'm going to do it.

2:28:30I'm going to do it. I love it. I love it. I love it. We can say it. We can say it. We can say it. Yeah. The colors from policy. Yeah. And can we have everybody in the way? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we can do the color. Okay. That's what they do. Yeah. The colors together. Okay. I love them. I see the pencil. Maybe at the conclusion.

2:28:56Yeah. Maybe we also just take a big picture. I don't have any. There we go. Perfect. Thank you. There's the remaining. And now everyone has one of those. I'm going to give the kids a couple of kids. You're going to have something. I'm going to have some pictures. I'm going to show you a little sketch.

2:30:13little request. No. Are you going to get a picture? Sure. Sure. Thank you. . I don't know how much of you have been breathing in. And thank you for casting our gift. You know, big confidence. You've leveled up. You've leveled up. I've told you. I've marked you to take care of you for the show with this team. So I think that'll work better.

2:30:52Thank you. Good. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Alright. Break time's over. We're going to get started again. We have about 25 minutes left. We can do this. We can do this. We can do this. Do you want to say a couple comments before? Do they know that? No, but I will. So we're going to go to a quick note on technology that is two tools that the console has.

2:31:29The console has invested in years past that some of us have not used that could be incredibly beneficial to track our own projects. Also, like, you know, for example, in my district, I'll give you an example. Many of my neighbors are asking, for example, of the tenth west when the tenth west is going to reopen. And I say back and forth with administration, administration needs to go ask, you know, Pacific or all of these like departments that are involved in making sure that we open tenth west.

2:32:05What I often do is I text Villy sometimes. He is always responsive. Sometimes it's not appropriate to text him that late. So I'm like wondering if I should. Scandal send. Yes. I do that. Searching my email through like a million. You try to remember what I said last. Oh, son, I can actually. You can go to the board, find the task, and you can just track the last time that Villy had an interaction with the issue.

2:32:36Said, well, the last time a week ago, this is what we got from the administration. And then you get the information quickly. You can add more information that Villy can actually track and respond. It's a tool that is actually very useful. And I wanted all of us to know that that exists and then prime.gov, which I've been using since I joined the council because I don't like paper as much.

2:32:57You will not realize that. But it's actually an incredible tool. And if we all know that exists, we might actually like it a lot. So now that we've talked about all of your priorities, let's talk about how we track them. Beautiful segue. Yeah, so, Atlanta is a project management software that the staff uses to collaborate on projects, tasks, and tracking.

2:33:22So I did email this handout to you earlier. I thought it was going to have a screen. So I apologize. I was going to give you a little demo. If we go through this and you want a demo or you want to see how it can work for you, then we can visit it on and do that for you. So why staff uses it is because we have a lot of projects going on in our office from communication, from liaison, project tracking, front office tracking, technology, needs, and things of that stuff.

2:33:50So we have type timelines a lot of the time, which we try to limit email back and forth. It's just an easier way for us to get to the point, figure out what's happening, and then we don't have to hold it back and forth. We also frequent handoffs and follow-ups a lot of the times. I will use the communication team because that's what I know.

2:34:11We get a communication request from you. Your liaison gets it. They get it to us handing it off quickly so that we can do all we need to do to follow-up. And then it's a clear view of our ongoing work. So each of us on a project has a dashboard where you can see what projects are in the works, which tasks are overdue, what's coming up.

2:34:33So it gives us just a quick glance what's happening in our office. And to that, for us, when we're asking a million things from our liaisons, I think it is a good way of realizing, oh, I touched this thing and this thing and this thing and this thing and it's a check on us to say, all of those things are there. They cannot do all those things.

2:34:56So I need to say which one of those are actually priorities right now because they can't. So I can go over how each group uses it if you'd like, but for the liaisons, we may track the council member interest and priorities. So every interest that you've brought up, whether that's a checking meeting, a constituent meeting, a work session meeting, they are putting it in and they are tracking it.

2:35:23So if it requires follow-up work, we have a method of the different subtasks or if it's just an interest that you've said. They really want SAA's in our district. They like that. If there are more than one of you or three, it depends on where we put that. So if it's a small group project or interest, we also have a section on our board that shows this is an interest of three council members.

2:35:49If it's a council priority, which is something that comes out of a retreat typically or in a work session, it becomes a council priority. And so that level of work changes. And so we track what the level of work is, what staff is working on it, and like expected timeline. So if it's something that is just an interest, it doesn't really have a timeline until it becomes an active project.

2:36:12And then we'll put it in timeline. Is this a one to six month thing? Is it a six month? Is it a longer? So we track all those things so we can balance our workload. So like I said, the communication team uses it to track everything. Our SANA is our brain. Nothing. Everything we're working on is in a SANA. So it gives us Whitney and I when we go through to try and figure out how much time we have to allocate to projects.

2:36:41We can look at that project management board and decide what we need if we need to communicate back to the liaisons or the council members that we don't have the capacity to finish this now. But can we finish it in the next six weeks? So it helps us track our projects and our tasks that way. Let's see. Council member, again, if you want to go through these projects more end up, they can do that.

2:37:07But for council member use of the SANA, council member Lopez Chavez is using it to do what council member was saying was she will put in projects that she's interested in. Or even if she gets a question from a constituent that she wants to track, we have created a team specific to district four, which has some of the liaisons and calm people in that project so that we can see whenever she adds something.

2:37:35And where that needs to go. I mean, it even goes down to her agenda items for community councils. So it can be just something that Nick will track as she's following up with something or it's something that she provides information that she would like him to follow up on. Of course, we have the CRM. So that is a little different. So if it's something that needs to go in the CRM, Nick will put that in the CRM.

2:38:01We are working with IMS right now to, a SANA has a feature that we can connect the CRM. So we are working with IMS to see if they can do that where it goes into the CRM. It would auto populate in her SANA project. And by this question, so great. So it's a tool that is available to you. You do not need to use it. But if it's something you're interested in, we can absolutely get that done.

2:38:28I will sign up, you know, and I use the SANA in the past, but I know of project management tools and how useful they are. So I have a whiteboard without it in my SANA, but I often ask Billy to take a photo of it, which is stupid of me. So this is my SANA. It's a better way of tracking this. Do you like this person? I still do my paper. But I just see it.

2:39:06You still have your version of the whiteboard. I have this whiteboard. But we can access our SANA boards and our phones and our computers. Yeah. It does require the signal sign on, but it is. You can download the hostels to it at any time. I'm excited to try using it. If you were interested in going over demonstration of how we can use it for you, what works best for you, I'm happy to say that.

2:39:38Is anybody else using this on right now out of curiosity? I can't do it with the SANA. Why are we doing permitting? And then I would say we have never went with this. It's actually a star flag that was made to a good intentions and never, like they never intuitive for me. So, yeah, what, like you just said you, we can log into it with signal?

2:40:00The single sign on through the city's server. Oh, okay. I was like, what? I have to like download signal now. I'm going to go for the whole person moment. I'll do it now before you can't. No, I already have like what's happening. I downloaded it never yet. Sorry. So the city, we purchased a SANA back in 2020 for a pandemic.

2:40:25That was our test kind of pilot to use it. And then we have to because we don't throw into the pandemic. But the city, I would say in the last year has purchased the enterprise version. So we have a little bit more robust. Excellent. Yeah. So, Kai, are you using it a lot? Am I making your life harder by not? I use it when you tell me stuff in these. You're just like, oh, time.

2:40:49Yeah, they're using it. I can try to learn it for sake of Kai. I don't think this needs to be engine on new job for customers. I don't think that's the intention. I want you to know that you can use it. Yeah. And the liaisons will do this no matter what. And it might not be intuitive for some. And that's okay. But it's been incredible.

2:41:08And I use different ones for my old job Monday. And I can go there every any time. And I know the last thing that happened with the project that I've been on. So I don't have to bug my liaison who's magical and gets everything done. But yes. It does help staff to track just because email is our main firm on communication.

2:41:33And so sometimes that gets very helpful for staff for tracking that stuff. But yeah, like Jennifer said, it's not a required program. It's there if you'd like to use it. And I'm happy to help you use it. Excellent. What are the advantages of it as compared to like a shared spreadsheet? Well, the project manager's here.

2:41:57It was 1980. But I mean like if you're stuck in 1980, too. And I'm a little earlier than that. Yeah. Or like there's automation within it. Yeah. Yeah. And a spreadsheet might actually accomplish some of the things that you're talking about much like my whiteboard. I was going to say spreadsheet's like beyond a spectrum.

2:42:23You've got whiteboard spreadsheet. Yes. I think one of the benefits of it is that the stuff is already using it. And they're already tracking some of the things that I'm constantly asking to find out where we are on that. And instead of asking them, I can just look. And if I have a question, I can just put it in there instead of just texting it or telling them to put it in.

2:42:45So we might actually like simplify the process and make it faster. Which for the amount of stuff that we give them to do, I think that we might benefit from it. Fine. I'll try it. Not required. No, I'm persuaded. I'm persuaded. You're a solid curious. I am. I'm not a solid curious. And I'm experimenting with this. I'm just a halo.

2:43:13I'm just a helpful son for your children. They can be the ones that are in our face with it. They can print some reports from it so that you can just see. I don't know if you guys are logging in from here. Can be under it. And I think like, oh I can't forget that. That's not at all. It's called the one to create. And vice just for those of you who want to.

2:43:42That is available. And otherwise we can integrate it more into your updates. I have a free whiteboard for anyone in the ones one. I have one. I have two. After this. I'm very efficient at my inefficiencies. Same. I have a post or a post it system that's worked for me for years. I wonder if funding models are between the power century.

2:44:06I'm reporting models for 20th. Alright. Thank you.

2:44:18Okay. There's another tool we're going to discuss now. Yeah. Time now. So I'm probably already been using Prime Go. Others I know use Dropbox when we're talking about meeting materials. We do still do both of course. The Prime Go is a little easier. It's also what the public has access to. So this is fun little paper here.

2:44:48We can also email it to you as well. It gives you all the how to of accessing your meeting materials in Prime Go. So when you first get in there you're going to see there's a difference between the current meeting which will be towards the top and then any past previous meetings will be towards the bottom. If it is a past meeting and you click on the HTML agenda the video will also pop up and it will go directly to that location item when you click on the item.

2:45:14So you can actually watch the video if you'd like to. Yourself. Red circle here is really important to click on those. Yes. And not the ones that say agenda or meeting materials. So the HTML is the one that you really want to interact with. The other ones are going to be PDFs. If you click on materials that's going to be a giant PDF and it will take a long time to download.

2:45:33I just never doing that. The first thing is the first one question we get from constituents. I asked about like changing that. The labels? Yeah. It would be nice. So when you get into the HTML and it pops up every individual item will be there. If it has attachments it's going to have this cute little paperclip on the side that just tells you there is an attachment.

2:45:56But do not click on the paperclip. You want to click on the actual item itself then it will pop open and that's going to be what you see towards the bottom. And you'll see the little eye. On the cloud. Yeah. And then you have the little download. You'll be able to open it right then and there. You actually don't have to download the paperwork with that.

2:46:14When we put the paperwork in I do label what it is. So it's easy to understand. So there's staff report, motion sheets, presentations, any attachments to staff reports, the transmittals. And we'll always keep the original transmittal and then anything that might have been updated or revised as well as inside of there.

2:46:32So it's really simple to see. The only thing you won't see is that with the board appointments any confidential information. So those will be emailed out to you as well. So it will be in Dropbox. If we ever move away from Dropbox it will just be the emails that Julie sends out. So this is one of the most amazing things because you don't have to download 1000 PDFs into your computer and then remember to delete them later which is I never remember to delete them later.

2:46:59So you can see the documents, read the documents and if you have your own login you can actually like. If you click on that it opens up a new tab and then on the side there will be a little toolbar which is on the right to the top right side. You can take notes and all that you can highlight stuff on the document. The most important thing though when you do take notes or highlight anything you have to download the document.

2:47:34So they will be a little on the side a little icon for downloading. You just have to download that and save it up to your computer if you make any notes. Download it after you've made all that you've changed. So if you have a question about this section or you want to highlight something you can do that it will not just save it into the cancel web page.

2:47:57You just need to hit download and it will download that document. I use PrimeGod but I never take notes on it. I usually just take notes on that piece of paper. I post it. You're all going to try to post it. Great. Linda Kristin can you guys go over it? So sometimes when we get like a piece of information from either the administration or it will catch an error in the staff report or something and we'll have to re-upload materials to the PrimeGod link.

2:48:30I know sometimes the material won't show up if it's loaded. The Appin 12 is usually we want any information before 12 on Tuesday of the meeting day just because if we upload it or re-publish it it's going to break that current link that was on there. So if you're on there it's not going to show up and it might give you an error or something like that.

2:48:55So we wait to re-publish. So if a person at the presenters table is referencing a document and you're like I don't see that document. That might be fine. So anything that's gets sent late and that happens sometimes sometimes look at something or presentation will come later than what we were expecting or they found an error last minute on their presentation and then send us the proper one.

2:49:15Then we won't be able to get that right in an error. But it will go on Dropbox. And they do upload the updated version. It's just not in time for the meeting. So while you're in the meeting. Yes. How much time does it take for you all to have these two systems? Like would it be easier for you guys if we all just did Primegov and not Dropbox?

2:49:40And how much are we paying for Dropbox? Like we like limited that expense. Dropbox is free. Everyone has a free Dropbox account. Only if you have a, you're saving a lot of your vendors and we end up having to pay for it because of the storage. But Dropbox is prime good. I would say, I mean doing both is fine either way.

2:50:08I have to put everything into Primegov and then I just download the item and then I just drag that over to Dropbox. It's really not that big of a deal to do both of them. This is definitely probably the more convenient way to do it for everyone. But the other one is nice to have as well. The other one we also put confidential stuff in for a closed session.

2:50:29We'll put that in there but we can't have that obviously in the public portal. But those are also emailed to you. The confidential documents are always in your email too. So I started off using Dropbox and then I just kind of stopped it. I don't like Dropbox. I use it for the first couple of Dropbox. I'm a loyal Dropbox server.

2:50:48And I'm a nice guy. All right. I'm a nice guy. Are you kind of curious too? I use Primegov too sometimes. It's just like, I didn't do it. It's going to be my song. It's going to be my song. It's going to be my song. It's going to be my song. It's going to be my song. It's going to be my song. It's going to be my song.

2:51:06All right. Well, thank you so much for showing us these tours. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We are on time, Pelle, person on time. I'm going to finish the meeting by thanking all the amazing stuff that we have. Yes. So the success of the Council, our personal success, and really arguably the success of the city as a whole is the incredible oversight and the incredible talent that you have been able to bring together.

2:51:47It's just impressive what you are and what you bring to the table. I know sometimes I'm really hard to work with, but I really, really thankful for your passion and commitment to our city. So thank you. Very well said. The facilitator in me wouldn't be complete unless we return to our outcomes. So I just want to say as we close out the retreat, you know, I put a big green checkbox next to hopefully deepen relationships among Council and staff.

2:52:22Walked away, hopefully understanding more about the city budget. I overheard some people saying that, you know, they've worked here for years, but they didn't know this one particular thing about the city budget. And that just made my heart so happy, especially as someone who's new. We shared some district priorities and we had an opportunity to learn from others what their priorities are and captured some synergy and then talked about how we might use technology to support our collaboration.

2:52:48So we got a lot done since arriving here at 145 and it is just 442 right now. So in three hours, we got a lot accomplished. Thank you all so much. I think that concludes our retreat. We have one last item of business and that is all of us are going to both take a picture and record a video. So from Matzomoto. Okay. Are we dancing or what?

2:53:15You are dancing. Yes. Singing. Your dance moves and singing. We can put Ava. Ava. You're not happy about that, right? Okay. It's a bit of you.