Council Work Session Meeting

0:32Okay, welcome everyone to the formal to the work session not the formal one the work session the informal I guess Work session for the city council. This is the February 3rd, 2026 Work session Our meetings are public and they are welcome to you're welcome to join our meetings and person or by watching the meetings online We stream them in shroom and YouTube

1:02We hope that you continue to join in whichever manner you feel most comfortable In this work sessions, there is no public comment You can join us tonight at 7 p.m. For the formal meeting where you can share your comments We of course welcome your feedback anytime you can email us at council comments at slc.gov or you can also send us mail at 1456 select city Utah 8414 You can also call 24 our phone line 801 535 7 6 5 4 and leave a message comments We receive on agenda topics are shared with council members and also that are posted on our console website slc.gov slash console our first agenda item is informational Item updates from the administration joining us at the table Andrew Johnston director of homeless policy and outreach and Western Clark director of community

2:07Outreach and it is your time. All right Good afternoon council We'll go ahead and begin Go to the next slide And this is of course our regular and somewhat updated slide Reminding folks to go to shape slc.gov Which is where we are asking all departments and divisions to put their community engagement opportunities So one stop shop for all of that Recommend you go there whenever you want to engage next slide Question. Yeah, your old website was like feedback What was it the feed? Yeah, we call it the feedback page. Yeah, that's it the old page still works and redirects to this new one There it is there are well the other page ultimately I think became a landing page that linked to a lot of the division pages

3:02There might be some old projects on there. I think we are still Rolling them all over but it's been sort of our expectation now that they all all the new stuff will go on shape slc So that should and we'll be rolling out shape slc more publicly very soon here so I attended a console one of my community councils the other night and They were talking about the old website you know as the place to send feedback and I was like I think there is a new website and so I want to make sure that It still works or is going to the right place. Thank you. That's we definitely need to follow up on that make sure we're in transition right now Councilmember I appreciate that But we will get everybody on on page with the new one because it's a great place to go

3:47So thanks. All right Not a lot of updates today, but the planning and CRA we have a few updates the draft plan for the Northwest Community Plan and its first public hearing Had its first public hearing on January 28th But don't worry if you've missed that because their second public hearing is tentatively scheduled for February 25th So you can go to shape slc and you can sign up for notifications on that you can be notified for future updates The zoning amendments asked for by the City Council to expand housing options and slc have also been posted to shape slc and the public input period has Started public engagement is expected to run into March with multiple methods and meetings for the community to learn about the proposals and provide feedback

4:28Go to shape slc and sign up for that as well

4:32The draft updates for the avenues and capital hill community plans are moving along with the avenues plan nearing completion The final round of public engagement will follow as soon as the draft plan is published Capital Hill engagement is ongoing with several engagement events scheduled this month at various locations in the community I've got those listed on the next slide that we'll show in just a minute And you can also go to shape slc for that project as well and keep updated on that finally the ballpark next 45-day engagement period ended yesterday and the result seeing For the resulting needed proposed zoning modifications based on the public's input We'll be brought to the planning commission and start that public process as well. So that will be coming really soon

5:14Next slide is just those capital home engagement opportunities if anyone would like to go to those those three coming up this month And that is all I have for engagement today Any questions? Okay, thank you. Next slide, please

5:32Current utilization for the resource centers is at 96 points 97% excuse me I will say that there are some availability at the medically vulnerable program in sandy Which is those who over the age of? 55 with medical conditions that is a process to get into that so if people are seeing folks who meet that criteria Recommend contacting us and help us get them into services M EIM work there's no EIMs currently scheduled mostly due to lack of large camps We've seen but a lot of individuals across the city and a rapid response teams will be in Jordan Park Victory Road southeast section of the city which is kind of Herman Frank's going South into sugar house areas Memory Grove avenues in the west nine line as well this week next slide

6:24Starting from the bottom going up Thank you very much to council members and others who participated in the point in time count this year last week We appreciate all the volunteers very helpful the more volunteers we have the better trained they are the better the count is and the more accurate we get So thank you again Resource fair this coming February 13th that the gay excuse me the Geraldini King Resource Center on 7 South and then justice court will happen On the 6th this Friday at DWS on 7 South as well and then ongoing code blues We haven't had a lot this winter, but when we do we do need help and so Unsheltered Utah is courting that effort here locally downtown at two churches and they can always use volunteers

7:07So appreciate your help getting that word out to everyone else any questions Go ahead Thanks Andy back to the MVP program do our resource centers kind of People out there over 55 who may in turn them there Yeah, so if somebody's already in and say the gear the gale Miller the Geraldini King And they meet the criteria they will work with them to get down to that center as well. Okay, great. Thanks. Appreciate I got so Thanks. Thank you. I appreciate both of you for giving us the update We're moving on right now to item number two, which is an ordinance this position of alleys and street Text amendment joining us at the table Brian Fulmer consuppulsian list and then join us from the administration side

7:56Chrissy Gilmore planning manager. Oh Or not well-trained director and stuff Yeah, we've got Nick Norris here Ben Buckley and me This is a proposal initiated by the Planning Commission that would modify the section of city code related to city-owned Rights of way including alleys streets and street segments The proposal includes among other things closing rights of way to public use where the city retains ownership and also vacating these rights of way in which the city relinquishes ownership Code currently includes the process and standards for alleys but standards for closing and vacating streets have not been codified One notable change would treat partial street vacations adjacent to low density residential areas

8:49the same as alley vacations and Not charge the applicants for the vacated street property as is the current practice I'll turn it over to Dan and Nick Awesome. Thanks for having us. This is the text amendment for disposition of streets and valleys next slide, please As Brian mentioned, this was initiated by Planning Commission back in February of 25 to modify the Chapter 1452 The big concern there was that streets weren't included in that there was some abuse of the lack of use policy so that wanted to be cleaned up in September of 25 Planning Commission for a positive recommendation with a modification to change a date Next slide, please Right now there are four consideration factors each applicant must meet at least one

9:50Those four are lack of use public safety urban design and community purpose that lack of use that one could be utilized if you build a fence across the alley or a garage in the alley on city property You could utilize that lack of use so a self-inflicted lack of use there

10:16The proposed ordinance includes seven factors the first four are new those are Impact on general plan impact to property public utilities and size factors We're keeping three of the four existing classes. Oh, sorry next slide. I'm so sorry So those first four again, those are the new ones Impact on general plan impact to property public utilities and size factors The five six and seven there those are existing. We're not changing those except with some modifications to the lack of use if the legal obstruction existed before April 12th 1995 if the applicant can prove that we will accept that as a lack of use consideration And the urban design policy factor that was deleted we believe that that is

11:12addressed in a couple of other other policy considerations here next slide, please

11:20Method of disposition we are Adding two new methods Exchange of land and the simple closure for public or private purpose And we are also modifying what it means to be low-density residential use in terms of an alley or street vacation Right now. It's not defined this proposed code would define it to be anything less than 25 units per acre According to the applicable land use map Yes, go ahead. Is that the same definition we use in all the zoning as far as the Other works So in our community plans every single community plan has a different definition of

12:07So this is kind of where we're going based on Reality of what some of our low density residential areas are zoned at the highest or developed at not zoned But the existing density and some of our higher

12:22Areas that are considered low density residential and is this I mean it so they must there's not a state standard And if we don't have a standard state probably didn't have a standard or whoever cities have a standard of what they consider low-density He I mean because I guess at the league I've seen sometimes they're talking like five or six, you know houses per acre And we're like Yeah, what the current for Disposition code says is that it's zone for low-density residential so some of our zones will have that term in that some of them that have equal density Won't and so that there is some gray area there. Okay

13:07next slide, please One of the biggest changes here is that we are including streets right now as Brian mentioned the process to vacate streets is not codified We've kind of gone back and forth lately Whether we are using the alley vacation process or the 1999 city council policies that were never like formally codified into our code This code would codify that it would treat Streets as kind of the same process as alleys Next slide, please We are also including some public hearing requirement changes Right now all vacation enclosure requests must go to Planning Commission for a recommendation We get a lot of street vacations and alley vacations that don't get comments from the public or from city departments

14:09And so the Planning Commission is kind of formality at that point These new requests or this new code They would be exempt from a Planning Commission hearing if that's the case if there are no public comments or comments against from city departments Instead city council would receive a Planning Commission or a Planning Director recommendation instead of Planning Commission recommendation Next slide, please We did have a couple of things come up after Planning Commission One of them was from our planning city attorneys They recommended adding an additional exemption to When payment would be required that would be if the applicant is a government entity like a school district or something like that

14:56And then after Planning Commission The Engineering Division provides some additional comments and recommendations And they are here today to discuss those with you next slide, please That's all I have for you any questions

15:16So quick question related to that date that is set on you know self-inflicting problem Obstructions April 12th 1995 Why that? That's when our Other than our mixed use zoning consolidation That's when the current zoning code was adopted and so it's a date that we is found throughout their code of where we've drawn a line In the sand that say these regulations apply to this date because of that and you know, this is maybe Not great to admit but prior to that we don't have a lot of great records on what was permitted And so it's hard for us to track What was allowed and what wasn't and things like that?

16:03So that that's a kind of a line of the sand for those So if I yes So if if I you know Build something on April 13 1995 obstructing the alley that wouldn't be so we had reason to me requesting

16:22Yeah, for for example a fence at that point in time would have required a permit April 1st at same year it wouldn't Of okay, okay, okay Will you clarify the fee piece of this what there was a no we are waving fees for other government entities

16:40What is the fee that applies to? To the new code for someone that wants to I Believe it's still fair market value. Okay. Yeah, okay So that hasn't gone away. Yes, go ahead. Oh, yeah How many do we have a list of alleys that are waiting to be vacated that are going to be vacated or have been requested for We get about a 10 to 12 requests a year for alleys and maybe half that for for streets

17:10And we discussed a few here recently so and you believe that this process will streamline and clarify What the right processes well, yeah, I think the biggest thing is that it wanted updates the factors to consider to match kind of current pressing issues development issues in the city and Obviously it adds something for streets, which we don't currently have in our code So we end up having to rely on state code or you know a 25-year-old city council policy that was never codified so One this is a better practice for that then we all we were operating on Consistent process and factors for decision-making

17:57Regarding the the change that would allow us to waive the fee for another government entity ensuring that We it's it's just a practice that we could have but wouldn't require that we need to do that. Is that right? I Think that's I'm not exactly sure how it's written I think it just allows you as another as another thing in addition to fair market value. Yeah, we can verify that Okay, thank you. Yeah, it's like we like send our questions here. So thank you for the presentation the this So we have it for Consolation on March 10th one one thing I do want to bring up so after this went through the planning commission the engineering Division did send some comments back and they want

18:49There's probably some things that That they would be prefer add added to the code which may be planning doesn't necessarily agree with and so that's something that we want to Rectify obviously we want to both get on the same page here And so we may need some guidance from the from council on some of that stuff I think the biggest is that there's some of the comments relate to You know whether or not the city should ever vacate an alley if there's ever any utilities both public utilities at the city homes or Like electricity or other service providers like communication there or not So that's something that we would want to consider I think and the engineering's here and they can provide some more detail on that for us our our

19:45Primary consideration with that is that we don't want to necessarily Put something in our code that Takes away the discretion of the decision-making Process so it might be a factor to consider and that's utilities are in there, but I'll let I'll let mark talk more about What their changes?

20:08Thanks Nick more Stephen City engineer one of the things that we try and maintain in our public ways is the accessibility for utilities whether they're existing Whether we anticipate them in the future the desire isn't to hold on just to something because The city owns it and we just want to continue owning that and maintaining that in the future We often time is with our franchise utilities as well as public utilities. We don't know what future needs are Some examples are fiber optic network when that came in we had to have place for them

20:43Many if not most of these alleyways and streets that are being proposed to be vacated have private in or private franchise utilities and public utilities in them so if and when an alleyway is vacated ideally the language should be put in any sort of plat or legal language or legal descriptions That an easement and perpetuity is included to provide future and existing maintenance Upgrades installations for utilities Often times when these alleys get vacated even though that language is maybe provided in the legal descriptions People will put up fences. They will put up things that restrict access for a Rocky Mountain Power transformer blows during the summer during air conditioning that They don't have access gates or locked people will install things in these alleyways that are vacated and then it further restricts

21:41That sort of access Despite the language being very clear if the alleyway or street is vacated So one of the things that engineering we want to do is maintain a uniform public right-of-way with access for existing and future Utilities we don't always know what those future utilities may be as we you know continue on in the 21st century One of the things that came up recently as an example is as you've got your last mile between transit Autonomous vehicles and where are they going to be stationed in part?

22:12Some of these underused alleyways or such could be places where that could be They could be parked and stationed ready to go for that last mile transfer between home and a transit facility small example But sort of things that we can't always anticipate what future utility needs are and it's much more difficult to reacquire that

22:34That property that is vacated Then to just maintain it and keep it So that was engineering's position is just to make sure that we keep in mind from a utility perspective Franchise and public utilities that many of these alleyways have existing if not most have existing utilities that Require this need and a future easement even if alleyways are vacated so my Okay, there was a This ordinance this proposed ordinance is no proposing to vacate Ali's is proposing to streamline the process and clarify the process so you know that was a I just wanted to clarify that because you know from your comments, you know, it sounded like it was like we're vacating a bunch of Alism or not but the The solution on Eastman's makes sense to me. I mean we do

23:28Eastman's for public utilities all the time everywhere And I feel like that is an easy Include it should be included on the language when when the the alisk become vacated It still doesn't stop people from you know, not following them But that is the risk across the board even currently right now so Totally it makes sense to me to put this on the books clarify it and ensure that there is A additional language to to ensure that the easements are clear and the people understand What they're signing up. I will be interested to find out if there are ways of

24:08enforcing On that and you know, maybe creating some revenue for the enforcement cost Right for people that don't obey, you know, they're the their easements and even to your point challenging and disturbing, you know The public utilities and the Connection of power in some cases or you know, which is inflicting pain and their neighbors because they they didn't follow the rules but But I understand the concern from both two is in a mix mix a lot of sense and I think Eastman's

24:42It really is a clear way of solving that issue

24:47Any other questions comments More of a comment, but I appreciate Both the the cleaning up of this the streamlining the approach what that translates to my in my brain is a highest and best use of staff time to respond to these requests so appreciate the thoughtfulness in this and Second I also appreciate Engineering thinking about the future because autonomous vehicles will be here They are coming we need to plan for how they will impact our streets and the movement of people on our streets So thank you for raising that Any other portion to this that we want to Arabal, thank you so much for I just real quickly I think one of the things that we need to do is rectify some of our comments So we'll be probably just working directly with your staff to provide an updated

25:37Ordinance with that to you. We probably won't transmit that at this point We'll just work directly with staff to get that back and forth so you that Timeline you think that we're probably going to need a little more time I

25:52Don't see the timeline top my head but I guarantee you we can we can meet that we have it on for a public hearing on February 17th so two weeks from tonight and then potential cancel action on March 3rd 10th, sorry, we'll get something to you

26:12You know from the constituents perspective and you have heard it a lot But probably to this too There's always talk about the alleys and how You know opinions about what we're doing and what we're not doing and what we should be doing about the alleys And I appreciate that there is a clear policy on the books for people to follow And to take advantage of and there is not a dark process So I'm sure that we can figure out the Community benefits As well a clear process in this this manner. So thank you. Thank you Thanks Moving on to item number three. This is an ordinance regarding the Rio Grande master plan and zoning map amendment

26:59Joining us at the table We're gonna have Kate word console policy analysts Nick Norris state at the table Cassie younger senior planner Kelsey Linquist planning manager Windmill CRA senior project manager and it is Kate as your time Great in December 2024 the city council acting as the CRA Board endorsed the Rio Grande district vision and implementation plan this master plan and zoning map Amendment initiated by the CRA Incorporates the district plan changes into the city's downtown plan and zoning map This includes rezoning 32 parcels and From gm. You to downtown secondary central business district or d4 You have a tentative well you have a public hearing scheduled for march 10th with tentative action on march 24th

27:57There's a couple of policy questions you may consider associated with this you may consider asking how the general plan and zoning changes will be implemented over time and any fiscal or Operational impacts the city to the city associated with adopting these changes and with that I'll turn it over to planning staff I thank you. You can go to the next slide All right The Rio Grande zoning map and general plan amendments are mayor initiated petitions represented by the CRA They are requesting an amendment to the downtown plan and the rezoning of 32 parcels from gm. You Gateway mixed use to d4 secondary central business district next slide The area subject to these amendments are two blocks between 500 west and 600 west in between the Rio grand depot to the east and the inner modal hub to the west

28:53From 200 south to 400 south Despite being centrally located with a high concentration of transportation options and walkable amenities like the gateway mall the delta center and pioneer park This area remains largely underdeveloped next slide The proposed general plan amendment takes place in the depot district section of downtown plan Currently the section outlines a catalytic project named the hub implementation strategy The petition proposes to replace this catalytic project with the Rio Grande district project based off of cra's Rio Grande district vision and implementation plan Both catalytic projects envision 300 south as a festival street from Rio Grande to 600 west with high density mixed use buildings to the north and south

29:42The updated plan is more detailed with its complete visualization of the two blocks a further emphasis and sustainability Green loop incorporation and arts campus walkable blocks and high quality urban design next slide The plan amendment also proposes to adjust the mid block walkways to reflect those outlined in the Rio Grande vision and implementation plan The adjustments made are along cra property lines and better accommodate future development Next slide the zoning map amendment proposes to rezone 32 parcels within the neighborhood Which includes cra properties and some owned by the university of utah these would go from gateway mixed use to d4 Next slide As you can see in the comparison table, these two zones are extremely similar in terms of setbacks use

30:38design standards The biggest difference between the two zones are the allowed height The minimum height in the gmu is 75 feet with a maximum of 180 While the permitted height in the d4 zone by right is 200 feet with design review required from 200 up to 600 feet Next slide Buildings over 200 feet in the d4 zone must go through a design review process and incorporate at least one of the elements listed This can include affordable housing publicly accessible open space or enhanced ground floor use Next slide When reviewing a general plan and map amendment staff reviews compliance with a general plan This petition aligns with plan salt lake and the downtown plan which principles include a vibrant and active walkable connected downtown

31:31Since this is a mayor initiated petition no community benefit is required next slide And then on october 2nd 2022 2025 the planning commission voted unanimous positive recommendation to the city council members

31:53More doing Yeah, I appreciate the plan everything else of course i'm i'm always concerned about 500 west and Making sure that our right away is in impact there and also that we have good curb cuts. So if we do want to There are some other Ideas out there that we're not cutting off future ideas with the plan and having the conversations about the curb cuts on 500 Or what we have going on the 500 corridor throughout and and just and the making sure that there's also going to be an opportunity to go east west

32:32with this plan in the areas because uh, and i'm just looking through

32:38The plan itself and making sure that we do have some opportunity to grow east-west instead of just North styles and everything east of this plan and not just not also west

32:52Just throwing that out there's that fight as my Concerns and making sure that we still have that ability to as anything else you know First contact with the enemy in the plan falls away. So you gotta be able to adjust

33:09Uh, yeah, I can address that i'm Wayne Mills. I'm one of the project managers with the CRA um Yeah, this particular plan or at least the zoning amendment as well as the plan really stops at the property lines along fifth west so we don't see it causing um, necessarily any issues for any future plans along 500 west um Some of the development that's on the north block uh closest to 500 west is actually the last phase of development so we're quite a ways off from seeing anything happen there so Don't anticipate any Any conflicts?

33:51Thank you

33:55Is there any intention for the city to Sell any of the property as we move through this project or are we intending to retain ownership of What soil we can and do develop through joint partnerships?

34:11Uh, yeah our intent is to uh do a ground lease for CRA owned property so we retain the ownership and then we can um Kind of continue to have control and collect certain fees to long term maintenance

34:27You go ahead. Thank you. Um I know tuklin city Excuse me tuklin study Uh wanted to move the rails. I just wanted to confirm. Do we know for certain they're going to build on fourth west and not fifth west

34:45So tuklinq is u.dot and UTA Because I just pulled up their map from the study itself and that was a proposed line before I just wanted to make sure we're not Conflicted with the states plans currently to extend the rail line Will verify that but I believe that they did keep things on 400 west because that's where the old rail lines were in the corridor Okay, but I know I And I just want to bring it up because and I know council member dougan also is in contact with the real grand plan and the um different advocates from it, but it's my understanding that there's There's different proposals for this area and so I would love to be inclusive of those future Uh development opportunities and I'm a bit sensitive to that

35:25but for certainly if we could Make sure that uta is not expanding in on fifth west Because I'm looking at the map online and even the station central Shows it near six west and then the old greek town station. They're still planning on hosting so I I just wanted to understand if that's going to change some of the tsa zoning also

35:48And it was just added that as my understanding Pardon me that it is fourth west, but we also have a an easement that we're protecting down fourth south Because there uh has been talk of running a spur down fourth south so we protected a 20 to 25 foot wide um easement to ensure that that's protected

36:11I and I would like to highlight that this is a zoning amendment to you know to the area that allows to you know Let's get closer to the vision that the the cra put together for the Rio grand plan Without the zoning without the rezone. We cannot really vision, you know the height and The projects that we dream to do that. So this is uh, this is a step in the right direction towards That vision of of getting there. I um so I there's a lot of uh talking town about the other things that could happen in in that right away But you know when we talked about this last time uh about the Rio grand all the Rio grand projects, you know the train one

37:00You know the administration the cra stuff told us that uh the streetscapes and the you know that area was the last thing that was going to happen because You know all of the development needs to we need to have the money to build all that So I remember the conversation that they were saying that they were working on the on the street level Uh was not going to happen. It wasn't going to be the first thing that the city was going to push for but um So I'm excited that this rezone is in front of us to to get a little closer to that dream that the city has been talking about for Long long time. Yes. Go ahead Yeah, and I like I'm generally supportive of the depor zoning I think this is really appropriate for the area just wanted to ask is there any tsa zoning at all extending on the near the line

37:49Of the tsa zoning was all replaced so it there's okay. It's just that it got it. M. U whatever depending on the Scale of the tsa zone. Okay. Thank you We'll re- we'll re- we'll change the tsa zone any other questions Just to confirm the the orange line is what the preferred lines called and it is on 400 last I'm awesome. Well, thank you so much for for the presentation We're excited to to see this coming closer to reality. So thank you

38:21Uh, and that is going to be tentative council action on march 24th So a number item number four is a resolution for the northwest pipeline building And a new construction public benefit analysis Join us at the table allison rolling council policy analyst Um Logan hunt real estate director will join us tami hansaker director of can

38:48Mike acarlo deputy director of community services um, and available for questions This the development team Here Thank you mr. Chair I'll run over the sort of general outline of this proposal and then leave it to the experts to fill in the gaps Or repeat the major points as well Um, the department of community services and nay, sorry. I can't even get that one right Um, the department of community and neighborhoods or can has conducted an informal public benefits analysis for a housing rehabilitation and construction project Known as the grove which is located at Approximately 321 east and second south this includes the northwest pipeline building Which is also known as the old public safety building

39:36The pba identifies the specific benefits that the city would receive in return for discounting the 2.42 acre property to a below market sales price of 1 million the benefits include meeting city goals related to increasing public excuse me increasing affordable housing a limited Liminating a development impediment preserving historic structures and property and a number of other benefits The rehabilitation and construction project would include adaptive reuse of the historic northwest pipeline building Along with new residential construction a new residential construction The development team includes the housing assistance management enterprise or hane which is affiliated with the housing authority of salt lake city

40:22A developer named sylon projects and the common ground institute The proposed development would provide 196 affordable units at least 100 Excuse me at least 15,000 square feet of ground floor and basement level commercial space a parking structure public plaza and public art And at least 51 percent of the units would have two or more bedrooms and up to 16 households could participate in a voluntary wealth building program run by the housing authority Before closing on the sale the developer would be required to demonstrate evidence of construction and permanent financing And that the public's the northwest pipeline building would be rehabilitated To guidelines that are consistent with the national public the national park service

41:05Slash secretary of internet of interior standards for rehabilitation. It would be paid to the city this 1 million dollars would be repaid to the city in instalments Structured similarly to a low interest very long term payment plan at a fixed interest rate. That's my Easy way of explaining the loan, but I will turn it over to can Thank you. I am just going to provide some table setting and then turn it over to Logan to go through the public benefit analysis and propose terms So as I know many of you are aware Affordable housing projects are less viable today than they were even five years ago We're faced with increasing construction costs that are increasing faster than rents The rental market has found out a bit vacancy rates have increased

41:54Low-income housing tax credit pricing has a decreased which provides less equity to a project Tax credit investors are more selective Utilities have gone up maintenance costs have gone up, but the rents are flat So there's a lot of financing Challenges with affordable housing projects And then to layer on top of that with this specific project because of changing demographics of the neighborhood The project was once eligible for a 30% increase in low-income housing tax credit equity But currently fell out of that eligibility this year because of census data So it they received a big hit in in project financing and then also just the costliness of Adaptively reusing the Northwest pipeline building

42:41Provides a lot of cost and uncertainty to the project. So there are significant financing challenges So what we did in can we work with the development team to really work out a win-win Structure for both the developer and the city So what is before you is below market financing terms Of note, we did look at a groundly structure at one point in time, but that Actually didn't work with low-income housing the way low-income housing tax credit site eligibility requirements are right now So it would be conveying the land through a land sale And the Northwest pipeline building but the win-win structure is we would enter into a below market Purchase and sell agreement now That would provide site control to the development team

43:29They really need site control to go out and be able to apply for gap financing and financial sources They're not eligible for a lot of these applications until they have that site control, but we've built in really Specific conditions to closing so they will essentially be Qualified for a building permit have all their financing in place have the design will go through a design review process We will enter into a development agreement and a restrictive use agreement So the city will be very protected by the time the property is actually conveyed to the development team So we feel like it's a win-win structure here. So I will turn it over to Logan to go through those specific terms Thanks, we can move on to the next slide

44:13for all the reasons that Tammy mentioned the Administration is requesting the approval of the proposed term she and below mark itself in the Northwest pipeline property for The historic preservation in the Northwest pipeline affordable housing Family sized housing and community serving commercial space next slide, please By way of background the site is almost approximately two and a half acres on 30s and second style The Northwest pipeline was built in 1958 and is one of the few examples I think one of three in the city of Utah that is in the international style and as such as on the national historic register of places It served as a public safety building from 1979 to 2013 next slide, please

45:00In the RFP we had requirements and preferences for development team proposals The requirements included the historic preservation of the building energy star 90 or equivalent for the new construction prioritizing leasing of locally to locally owned businesses and neighborhood service providers and that's something that conversations with the community And minimizing circus surface parking invisible parking to support multi-modal access This is the cities and the state's highest frequency transit network along 200 south next slide, please There are a number of preferences which housing with the grove team ultimately ended up meeting one of which was Housing choice including family sized units workforce housing wealth building opportunities or homeownership

45:51year-round public amenities which could include gathering space or seating and art visible to 200 south by a solid city-based artist and All-electric buildings with no on-site carbon combustion next slide, please ultimately there were 11 submissions to the first stage of the RFP and the selection committee comprised of 13 members of both city staff elected officials as well as community members and the grove proposal Was selected announced in June of 2024

46:26Next slide, please the grove proposal includes a hundred ninety six units at 80% am I below with an average of 60% am I? 50% 51% of will be Two bedroom or more and there's approximately 15,000 square feet of community surfing commercial They've incorporated a public plaza with outdoor art elements the new construction will meet that energy star 90 or equivalent and The new construction includes a shared parking structure for the entire development with approximately a hundred stalls next slide, please as I shared before all units are 80% am I below with an average of 60% and Affordability will be restricted to 50 years Due to the nature of the light tech application We don't have an exact unit breakdown

47:17But the development team has agreed to provide the minimum shown on the right for 30 38% am I 40% am I am 50% am I Housing Authority also has a program called the family self-sufficiency program, which allows certain households to enter voluntarily enter into an escrow account which increases as their income increases Additionally, they will be providing financial coaching worst workforce navigation credit building tools and home ownership resources for all residents Next slide, please so with that 51% of a bedroom of two or more bedrooms that works out to 80 units at two bedrooms and 29 units at three bedrooms next line in Order to close the development team will need to complete a design review by city city staff for RFP

48:19Compliance they'll need to obtain a building permit will issue letter proof of secured finance And we'll need to agree on terms and enter into a development agreement right to repurchase agreement restrictive use agreement and public access easement for the public space closing must occur before June 2027 with construction commencing before December 2028 and Complete before December 2031 the appraised value of this property is approximately 18 million Developer is proposing a purchase price of one million dollars for the first 15 years The developer will pay during the light tech compliance period of one dollar per year Following that they'll pay 50% of surplus cash flow on the property Until that million dollars is paid any remaining balance at the end of 55 years will be payable with 3% simple interest

49:20Next slide the developers pursuing Historic tax credits long-term housing tax credits only Walker housing alone fun and CRA no FFA funds In 2024 Sierra awarded 1 million in a CLP and 1.25 million in wealth building for the wealth building program The current total projected project costs are approximately 92 million, which does not include the land Next slide, please As you're aware state and city code allowed for the blow market sale if it's deemed appropriate necessary to advance the city's Affordable housing historic preservation economic development job creation and neighborhood improvement Next slide as such This project includes 196 affordable homes with 50 with a 50 year affordability restriction the family self-sufficiency program

50:17community-serving commercial space and activation of a long break in site preservation of the Northwest pipeline And the city will enforce these through the restricted use agreement development agreement And conveyance will not occur until financing permits and other approvals are secured with termination rights if closing conditions are not met

50:41Next slide and with that I believe we have five minutes for the housing authority Xilam and common ground to speak to the project

50:55Yeah, I had some questions related to some of the security measures that were in place I know that Maybe they want to speak to that, but just wanted to see some updates. I know that that was part of our agreement I didn't hear about that talked about in the development agreement But it's my understanding we're still waiting for some of the fencing and activation in the interim So Councilman, okay, so that's a question for the applicant other questions for staff So we can Okay, applicant. Okay. No, we can switch. Thank you So Dan Ackerman, executive director of housing authority of Salt Lake City Ben McAdams common ground Institute and in a Lynch silent projects

51:45Thank you chair person. I'm Dan Ackerman also the president of Haim which is Conducting this project and as you mentioned Nana Lynch Xilam partners and Ben McAdams common ground are part of the ownership and the development team as well It's pretty good architects MSR architect KTUI architects Big D construction on board Traceries history historic consultants a little further background

52:17Between Haim and the housing authority we have developed and own 35 properties in the city limits of Salt Lake City We're very excited of course about this project. We've been working on weekly daily and monthly

52:37Historic renovation and new construction basically a beautiful historic building Repurposed from an office building to residential which is already a challenge and then of course has met removal and proper historic renovation The project has been bladed and many ways since 2013 and we know the leaders you and the neighbors and others Are not happy about that in 2015 the issue the city issued an RFP and chose the developer for the property and That development failed due to unusual elements of the projects such as the historic nature and expense of that building the market swings Basically making it unattainable We have solved that attainability problem as I'll describe in a minute You chose our team over many others as a local leader with unusual tools

53:38We have project based vouchers. We think we have trust Two-way trust as evidenced by the three point one six four million dollars. We've spent of our own money on the project so far the kind of the public nonprofit nature and

53:56Unlike many large for-profit developers, you know a real mission and and practice towards that We've completed many many elements of the project. I won't go through all those But we have actually submitted for building permits on both of the elements of this project basically one large new construction building and the historic renovation of the Northwest pipeline building

54:24We have five minutes I understand I want to make sure that you know I'm good. I've practiced for a couple days I We you challenged us on behalf of the community and really on behalf of City history which this building was and will be in the future. We believe those challenges are met

54:48Making it fiscally attainable. We still have a financial gap of two to four percent Which is more than a couple hundred thousand, but we're The family orientation some of the key pieces

55:04Neighborhood services dog park daycare were committed to daycare in a financial sense as well Some affordability advancements that weren't anticipated and also we are marketing aggressively marketing this property or will be with your approval towards public safety and health related and emergency response workers

55:29We've We need this the next things we need our site purchasing control as was mentioned Obviously continued neighborhood input. We've received lots of neighborhood input over the last year and a half new contractor a final general contractor for the new construction launching the actual leasing which will make much easier when we have full control and And then building permits our development deal with the city, etc so We We did achieve high sustainability. We achieved a very unique home ownership strategy It was mentioned some of the tax credit pricing and challenges we've received since But in summary, we think the ambitious requirements that you set for us have been met The previously challenged project to complete for many many years including by others is now attainable

56:36We think there'll be an exciting and thriving community where basically a hole in the neighborhood

56:44Existed and we're much closer to the timelines than was previously mentioned We can we can close very soon and a stem ostensibly have Kind of three pieces of ribbon cutting in the next year. I'm sorry of groundbreaking That was a little too ambitious

57:07We're anticipating some of the questions regarding the site activity package which was prepared separately by an architect and also some public safety Elements that we've weaved throughout this project

57:25Thank you very much

57:29Time very impressive So I you know I Have my concerns, but you know you my staff has their concerns to I Love my job too much there were slides that we didn't For that If you send those to Yes, I saw the so perfect those are the slides then we there are part of it other presentation I would like to open up the questions from from council members. There was a question from Love a Chavez about public safety. Maybe you want to address that one?

58:08Yes, we started by incorporating while we listen to the neighborhood and you can imagine What we heard and what we know from being community members. We started by integrating septed Elements into the design of the construction crime prevention through environmental design Including state-of-the-art entry systems lighting of paying a lot of attention to

58:37pedestrian paths fencing and key areas Sightlines etcetera by the way we have a professional consultant on board that does that for us at other properties as well We've also worked with the road home carefully to plan at the opening a minimum of six to twelve months of Additional security which is very expensive not that it's not worth it but that would allow sort of a change in the neighborhood and We would ask at that time that we get a little Assistance from the PD just to sort of transform that hole in the donut We've also worked with Mary and Willie very closely the owner of the

59:25Utah nonprofit neighborhood owner of several other sites around us He'll be here at the next meeting to help support this project. Is there anything else? Nana that you wanted to mention well just the the efforts on site activation Oh Well site activation is separate. Oh, I forgot to introduce the staff here. I didn't want to hurt the five minutes

59:53Brittany dabb just left deputy director she's been handling the the site activation package

1:00:01That package includes a four or five phases of immediate site improvements once we have control of the site again At our own cost so far and it starts with a kind of a cleanup and a an aesthetic change to the site Remove the chain link fences and kind of use the facade of the site is something more

1:00:25pleasurable to look at It there's also we may have a temporary dog park that we start to encourage their some of some electric site electric improvements And so it comes in four or five stages BAPPOC associates a separate architect from the others has prepared kind of a bid package for that We're also a property manager regarding the site once it's open we We know we've worked in tougher neighborhoods. I have for certain and We are prepared to really that's what happens sites that have high crime and are blighted have poor management and we pride ourselves in being able to You know evict when evictions are necessary Even though we have a very welcoming package of the front end I appreciate and the housing the housing authority has a track record of maintaining their properties and you know

1:01:29on the ones that I'm a district are examples of Howish should be done so I appreciate that comes remember you had a Thank you, remember I appreciate that this is kind of for both the admin and the the developer and ham's Dan the she's on the the commercial end of it You know with commercial properties We see a lot of vacancies downtown We see a lot of vacancies across the city and the valley of and there's a softening of the commercial space due to a host of it's probably reasons and this property, you know because of its location Tell me how you're gonna make sure that these Spaces down below. I mean the community's base, which is great. I love the idea that you know daycares, you know a little health care

1:02:16Whatever others Maybe a little space to buy something to eat. How are we gonna make sure that those are not vacant and that they are all also activated And that they're the local businesses aren't being priced out and and then left open and I'm looking at both the admin and because that has to be somehow Yeah, I'll start with our commitments and the RFP response

1:02:41The the commitments we've made our two local businesses and We and we have a lot of interest from local businesses We need a few more steps to really get to the stage of showing them where and what the least will be we understand to Nationwide the issue of ground level Commercial and retail being a big part of urban planning for years and we really are in this for the long haul And we understand there's dips and rises in downtown

1:03:20Streetfront commercial and we plan that into our financing. I don't know if you want to add anything Ben No, I think that I think that covers it It's the practice it is very much a focus of ours something that we Yeah, so they would probably be below more market rate because market rate the local businesses are gonna be on handle the market rate And probably even the in the client tells not go into the market rate either to Definitely not a cash cow of the right right element but it's an important part of the placemaking and and site development and we need to get further along before we can start putting pen the paper about the Actual least terms and is there an incentive from the city to do anything or how's how's the city making sure that we they're

1:04:00We're abiding by that Vision a lot of times they have great vision, but we don't have yet We don't have good of an execution because the vision was too too great and then you know vision was reality or the

1:04:13Excuse me reality I'll just say it's part of the term sheet that it was part of the RFP originally that To really focus on neighborhood uses we've made that commitment we had actually our RFP response included a number of letters of support from the types of Organizations that we hope to work with from daycare to healthy fresh food. So We have already sort of develop those relationships And it will be a part of the term sheet, but in the interest there's also, you know There's a period of time after which let's say we do a ton of marketing and we you know try and bring tenants in and for whatever reason Are unsuccessful then we work with the city to look at other potential uses But I'll just add that you know this one thing about this team and I think just looking at you know

1:05:05We have you know quasi governmental entity here. We have two people who worked in public service We are aligned we are mission aligned. So the commercial space We're not looking at the commercial space to to make a lot of money So when you ask about you know below market rate that is absolutely something we can we do need to cover costs We need to be fiscally responsible But we have a commitment to really getting the right uses the and for the neighborhood Okay, thank you for that answer don't don't add another question your other if you Consular council member council member True, but it was really convenient because I was gonna ask about if the commercial space was gonna be market rate So thank you for getting there. So then the second part of my question becomes has anyone done any projection for the year 16 to 55 if

1:05:53Anticipated proceeds will I mean support a year mortgage that seems reasonable. I just get real nervous Yeah, my kids generation we hesitate to tell you this but our projections if this deal goes as planned Shows about six or eight hundred thousand in cash flow per year in year 15 That's we can't commit to that because the market changes dramatically The early years by the way, there's almost no cash flow and some of these light tech projects We're also deferring our developer fee and putting it into the upfront costs about 50% of the developer fee But to be honest our internal projections show about six to eight hundred thousand a year and the brains behind that is

1:06:42Grant wise here Dan Judd another part of our development team CSC. Abby The head of the development team on the far left so the so the after 55 is just a backstop in yes, absolutely Now use our currency international absolutely. There's been internal talk that it'll be paid off within Two to three years. Okay. I wasn't supposed to say that

1:07:08But it's true so much. No, I was just gonna say I think this is a very complicated project And I'm really excited for I recognize how difficult it is So I'm in favor of the site control to get those applications forward I'd love to understand if you guys do need help with the soft cost of activation It just in the immediacy. I don't know if there's tools we have available, but just so staff knows I do think even as we move some of the supply and labor there once you are ready to break ground that There is just a lot of symptoms in that neighborhood. So I just want to be cautious I don't know if you calculated security in there We had some break-ins recently and so just something to consider in terms of what's happening at scale

1:07:50Other than that, I'm really really happy with this project. I think this is exactly what we need the only other Comment I was gonna make to all is as we look at retail. It's just building to suite And I've seen a lot of success with smaller builds in this neighborhood. We're seeing a lot more tourism hotel activation It's just really changing and so I think thinking about how do we interact? I know you mentioned the dog park Just wanted to make sure that you feel completely supported as you begin to activate this area It's it's been a difficult one. It's I just want to I'm like super excited. I'm like please Can't wait. I'll go out there with Ben. We'll go dig a shovel in there. So

1:08:35Just want to say I'm I'm grateful for this proposal and for the opportunity to activate a space and move forward the next life of this space a couple of Concerns that you'll be a fellow council members will hear me raise again and again is how are we building mixed income communities? How are we creating neighborhoods where people of different economic backgrounds are living near each other and pumping it up against each other?

1:09:00Because that's what really leaves the long-term social mobility And so I saw the family self-sufficiency Plan included in this and I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about you know the direction of moving in in that direction versus for sale units in the building yeah, we on for sale we are studied it and studied and studied it and We could not find a straight for sale program our original approach might have been a least to own after five years

1:09:30On other properties interestingly since that time We are aggressively we formed the community land trust We're aggressively seeking funding from the state for first-time homebuyer condominiums So just as a community member know that we are hearing people loud and clear and we think we're gonna be one of the first Even though condos have a whole we could talk for an hour about that the on the affordability levels we looked at some of the price points that these rents will be in it obviously depends on the family size and the unit size and the source of funding so it is confusing to many people when people talk about what the rents will be but in in our affirmative marketing to public safety workers

1:10:24We we saw that salaries of Registered nurses dental hygienist pharmacy technicians school administrators police fire journeymen Etc along with some behavior health specialists. We used the city's salaries for this study

1:10:44Construction code enforcement supervisor Community services auditor and really basically the categories of safety security emergency response Specific health professions and also specific technology professions All under the guise that if we can have people live closer and have it be affordable It's gonna really help the neighborhood and the community in more intrinsic ways Thank you so much for the presentation. I wanted to wrap it up by saying that this is probably one of the the most ideal projects I've seen in a long time because it it rescues a building that has been a problem For a long time for the city And normally the building itself, but what it created in that part of town And I also

1:11:39Love that you are achieving some of our goals as well, you know to bring family housing and to bring activation and to bring community members smaller businesses and to You know, you even meeting the the landscape requirements and you know, what are wise Requirements with you know the plans they're gonna bring in so you are checking all the boxes And I am excited to see this this part of town You know change because of this project. So thank you for for the project. This is a game changer for the city So I don't that's not a question. So I you know, I get the last I wish I could fill in five more minutes But I'm just sad real quickly. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to work on this project

1:12:25It is a fascinating and fun project and I'm so excited that we get a preserve this building and move it forward So Jennifer will remember, but I was a city employee 15 years ago 17 years ago Making the case to why we need to get the police and fire public safety out of this building And and how and the building was in such bad shape that we needed to build a new building So it really feels coming full circle to now be able to go in and restore it and preserve it You want to put police officers there? Yeah, just one more I Did miss a piece with C is introduction We you have as leaders have helped create an environment where we're gonna have eight Groundbreaking's this year this before December eight ground breakings of various types of affordable housing

1:13:15So it's all blossoming at once but you as leaders Cause that to happen and I've worked around many other cities in my career and that's just unheard of to have Especially in times like this. I'll my own shovel. So let us know when those happen. Thank you so much for me Moving on right now to the break so we have a little break right now. We're gonna come reconvene at three forty five

1:42:03start again We're going back to the work session. We were an item number five, which was the break now We're going back to item number six, which is a resolution for the second issuance of the general obligation bond parks trails and open space improvement Alison Roland our council policy analyst is gonna give us a brief

1:42:26Explanation of the item and a bit of for questions May Beth Thompson chief financial officer and marina Scott city treasurer are here for Park stuff as well Thank you, mr. Chair the administration has proposed to issue the second tranche of the 85 million dollar Parks trails and open space geo bond, which was approved by voters in 2022 This issuance would be for 51 million which the Department of Public Lands has indicated would fund nearly all the planned projects remaining Approximately 9.2 million would be left for the third and final tranche 11% of the total 85 million approved the council indicated its support for issuing the second tranche in a Strappole last November based on descriptions of projects and activities to be funded with these bond proceeds

1:43:17The funds would be available to spend immediately following the bond sale, which is planned at least at last notice for April 7th So I will the experts go ahead Good afternoon. I am marina Scott. See you measure. Thank you for your time today. Mary Beth and I

1:43:43Presenting a proposal for the second issuance of general obligation bond from the authorization that happened in 2022 and

1:43:54This is the second issuance From that authorization We will walk you through the financial structure of this transaction as well as the project scope and the timeline next slide, please general obligation bonds are secured by the full-face credit and taxing power of the city in November 2022 Salt Lake City voters approved an 85 million bond for parks trails and open space Next slide, please as I mentioned. This is the second issuance the first was in 2023

1:44:37Next slide, please So this table was prepared by public lands and it details the projects selected for the second issuance It's a little bit small to see on a slide, but just the exact same table was included in our transmittal next slide, please each Bontissians requires formal city council approval and The administration is asking the city council to consider the bond resolution on Tuesday February 17th If the resolution is approved Finance will move forward engaging rating agencies and we're hoping to meet with rating rating agencies the week of March 9 But you see if ratings and pose the preliminary official statement to the market by the end of March The bond sale is currently scheduled on April 7th and bond closing on April 28th

1:45:39Next slide, please So to summarize I Know there's some new individuals here and some people that haven't gone through a geo bond Do you have any questions pertaining to the time frame and what those steps are as we move forward?

1:46:01I don't believe I have any questions at this point in time But I appreciate the due diligence in the process and I'm eager for the bond sale to go out So we can start to move towards construction Great, that's one more picture With the projected sale at the end of April when would this hit? Property taxes for our constituents it will be in November It'll hit them on the November. Do we have a projection of how much per household this issuance will cost our constituents?

1:46:36We don't have it at this time But we will after the sale then we'll be able to give you that information because that's contingent upon the actual interest rate that we're able to secure Thank you Maybe that's a clarification just for everyone that when the public approves a bond so geo bond went to the public went to the voters It doesn't actually go on their property tax bills until each part of it is issued And once we start to pay debt service what's the city starts to pay that debt service?

1:47:07That's what enables us to enter that information and The state tax commission system, which is why it's it's so to the dollar figure like what is our actual debt service payment? Not just the voter information pamphlet that they used when they voted on the bond

1:47:27And maybe you're gonna get this but this is a you know the first one was 29 million This is 51 million and is that just because the construction and and when we first back in 22 We said we did we think there was gonna be three tranches where the second one was gonna be the big one or is there Was a discussion on Just putting the second one under the 225s intercepting that I'm gonna Ask Tom to come up, but I suspect what it is is the first one was preliminary for design And this is where we're starting to get into true real construction That's the reason it's the gonna be the largest of the three. Yeah, that's I kind of think

1:48:08You want to keep them? That's how I'm thinking it is also That's why I'm wondering if if you could split this up into two, but it sounds like maybe it's unreasonable to do that because of the amount of construction and how The timelines of the bonds go to the other thing remember that every time you split bonds and you do more tranches It costs us more money right cost of issuance becomes more expensive Cost for bond council becomes more expensive right so that becomes more expensive So if we did 10 issuance, it would be very very costly for the residents of Salt Lake City And I might just add the amount is The amount that we need 95 to I think it's 95% of that 49 million is for construction

1:48:54And so if we were to split it into multiple tranches, it would just delay half of the projects And then of that 49 million, I believe it's 23 and a half million is just for Glendale phase two So if we split it it would delay every project that doesn't Glendale Thank you very much. Appreciate that. That's my my question. So I do have some questions now

1:49:19so Given that this may hit their property this may hit their property tax payments start hit beginning November How do we convey and how do we make it clear to taxpayers that this was a bond that was voted on? Previously because I think they might get confused with other property You know the county and this and so how do we make it clear that they approved this?

1:49:42Yeah, we we struggle with that Every year that we I mean see I'm trying to think it seems like most years we have some new geo bond You know either issuing part of it or and so we try and remind people like this bond was approved in this year What's nice is that it is a separate line item on the property taxes and so it it is not technically a tax increase And so it doesn't trigger truth in taxation, but obviously we want to communicate to people who will be seeing that so Really at this point. It's just our our overall budget Communications is where we'll include stuff like that and frequently we'll we'll look around at If the county is issuing bonds that are going on the tax rolls to If the school district is issuing bonds, you know, they just had a recent voter approved bond

1:50:35so there's a lot to look out for and At this point it's more about communication than anything else Make quick follow up to that and the Construction stage which this you know tranche seems like it's paying for a lot of the construction for for this smaller parts, but also for the second phase of for Glendale Is administration doing any community engagement?

1:51:03To some of these Parks and if so, maybe this is a Perfect place to make sure that is included and all the the mailings and all the pieces that this was a voter approved on this on on this year And you know just lead it explanation beyond the public feedback that you know that we need I think that will be very useful Yeah, I we would love to do that. I think that's a great idea

1:51:29Has an update from last time. I believe it was also included in the transmittal, but just to restate it Public lands has has increased the amount of communication that we're doing around our geo bond projects We have right now a monthly newsletter that goes out to each community council And it's tailored to the specific areas people can sign up for all of them if they want to receive all the updates But even as we move past design and into construction I think the misconception sometimes is that community engagement is for only when we're like making decisions on which direction the project is gonna go But we definitely believe that Consistent communication even through construction is just as

1:52:09Important a piece of that community engagement. So we'll continue to do that on a project by project basis And then overall from public lands perspective for all bond projects

1:52:26Yeah done old all the questions this is there more presentation?

1:52:31Just one slide the very last one

1:52:40Just summarize Up One second Okay So to summarize the presentation the administration is asking authorization to issue up to 51 million of general obligation bonds The resolution sets and not to exceed interest rate at 6.5 It's just a parameter because we're still two months out before pricing So we just would like to set up a ceiling and give us a little bit of flexibility And the bond will be issued for 20 years

1:53:20And the the team kind of zoomed by it, but the meetings the Mary Beth and her team have with the rating agencies are incredibly important and that's where they present essentially the financial picture of the city and They've gone very well in recent years and so our city has benefited from very sound financial management and Good meetings so great job and good luck

1:53:48Thank you so much for being here We're moving on to item number seven now on the on the agenda And that's an ordinance for a budget moment number four that we've been discussing for the last several weeks for fiscal year 2025 2026 and of course the follow-up There's a few items on the agenda on Kate Ward Consum policy analyst may Beth Thompson chief financial officer still at the table and maybe Greg Kerry budget director may join us It's your time. Thank you. So one of the items that was previously discussed a six we have received additional information from The administration asking for a straw poll on this On this item we have one other new item that has not been addressed and then there are a few

1:54:37Housekeeping as well as grants requiring no new staff Resources those are it's going down order. Do you just mention it?

1:54:48So you follow that order that you just told us can you follow that order like oh yeah? Yeah, we'll go ahead and have Allison come up to the table hello again. Thank you, Mr. Chair So this the item that the administration requested the Strophold by the council is a six the pedestrian bridge over the surplus canal at Glendale golf course Can is learned that an update to the current army Corps of Engineers regulations will go into effect on March 15th

1:55:27It will be cheaper all of the construction will be cheaper and more efficient if the contract is if the construction contract is executed before that date so this requires initiating the construction procurement by the end of next week and So the question is whether you're willing to do a straw poll So anybody is willing to offer that straw poll so we can have that bridge Mr. Chair I was a straw poll to approve item number a six the pedestrian bridge over the surplus canal for two hundred fifty thousand dollars There's a straw poll show your feelings

1:56:04Thank you Next up is item a 20. This is funding for Fisher Mansion. It's one time amount of five hundred thousand dollars They're looking at using unallocated bond interests to fund part of the Fisher Mansion Rehabilitation this could include skylight work plaster cracks off its fascia board restoring sandstone porch elements flooring doors and windows this will not cover the full amount that is required and they will Likely be coming back for additional funding requests in the future It doesn't mean you shouldn't know how much money this building needs. I know that there is a Question pending on the table, which is like the the The future use or the final use of the building which will direct

1:56:55you know costs But is there an end-end-side? You know what what point we are stop fixing the building and we wait for that feedback a little maybe a time now as well. Thank you for joining us This is the remaining interest income money and I had talked to some of you about historical exhibits in the building and But I heard from council is there wasn't really an interest in doing that we want to get this money spent So that we don't lose the money and so We asked the administration some of our departments to give us projects that were ready that could just go And Fisher Mansion is a good project on the west side that we can Plug and play so to speak that whatever amount of money we have we can just keep making progress there

1:57:49so In answer to your question is there an end goal? I think we just want to get the building in as good a shape as we can To then go out and do an RFP to a developer And as good a shape as we can is it? Five million dollars more as a one million dollars more as a 20 million Do we have any that's your site have an idea of what that looks like?

1:58:12I can get you that number I would hate to throw something out and have Tammy and or hey correct me. So let me get that too Yeah, certainly that's a building that I care a lot about and but I just want to know How far are we along so thank you, Councilmember Thank you, mr. Chair. I think I've talked to each of you about this but as a council Added edit to this. I would like to propose that we put aside a hundred thousand

1:58:41for

1:58:45So that we can start displaying some artifacts about the city's history and possibly have some

1:58:52I don't know how you would explain it, but Some exhibits that would provide context to those artifacts at several of us have gotten to tour The space that's going to be the Museum of Utah that will open later this year They have a lot of items That are in storage that they're not going to be able to Put it out and they're hoping to put those into different museums and places across Utah A lot of those are salt lake city related And I think it would be great to have those on display to tell the story of salt lake city I think it's really important right now for us as part of the city's identity and to show our history and our values and and what what it means to be salt lake city and We still give 400,000 to

1:59:40Fisher mansion and he still really helped but keep a hundred thousand so that we can Have some more secure space to show some artifacts and to

1:59:53Yeah, have that on display for people to visit when they come to the building And I also think this is important particularly important because of the Olympics And just other things where we're going to be welcoming the world reopening the temple all of that coming to salt lake city So I'd like to set aside some money for that and then would propose a straw poll Chris will you reopen to

2:00:16Shaping Many of the artifacts that are in our in our side of the building relate to sister cities and the connections that we had with other dignitaries coming from all over the the world visiting us and Leaving a mark in our history too Will you know your exhibit also try to include some of those artifacts? Yes. Yeah, I think that Whatever We think best, you know kind of tells the story of salt lake city and the different groups that Have helped shape the city including our sister cities um I think That that would tie nicely into this. Um, so yeah, I'm open to that too. I just want to clarify that they're Need for a straw poll on this particular item. Well, I just wanted berry if you want it

2:01:10I just wanted to share what we would intend to do with that hundred thousand is maybe higher A history fellow on contract or part-time To lead us in the process to identify the stories that we could be telling what artifacts We have that we could be sharing help us design and write the text for those exhibits But also in visiting with the arts council We know that we will be loaning the brick and young portrait in the council chambers During the 2027 year and our hope is the same person could help us create an exhibit That explores newer artists more diverse art Diverse portraits that could go in the chambers and so the hope is this person could help us curate both history exhibits and an exhibit in the chambers

2:01:54I mean, you know, I

2:01:58Pretty miss putting a smile on my face because that you know, I've been trying to do that one for a little while So that's exciting for me. I also would like to add to to where you are thinking Years ago on the basement floor of this building. There was an exhibit that highlighted immigrant Faces of Salt Lake City and somehow it disappeared And it's not there and there was a blank again I would love to see if that could be brought up again if we still own it I thought that was a great exhibit And I wonder if I could be part of the The rotation of things maybe potentially if the administration feel like it's a it's a good exhibit to have

2:02:42So any other thoughts if not that I mean you're calling for a straw poll Chris, right? Yeah, but well, I guess not because we don't need it but You're welcome to straw poll but none of the other items need to be straw poll just the first Well, I'll ask any

2:03:07So it goes unanimous with the council members present

2:03:13Mr. Chair, I wanted to Bring our attention back to a 18 We had a pretty you know engaged conversation about parking wayfinding signage a couple weeks ago and just wanted to signal that as I was driving downtown And on a Saturday night looking for parking I Realize I could benefit from more public parking signs And so especially as a driver feeling like this is something that I think could really benefit our city and getting ready for Major events so we have coming the temple reopening the olympics and so wanted to just signal my support for this particular item

2:03:58Welcome to the old folks contingency We're excited to have you council member

2:04:06And and to follow up As I thinking a lot about parking would love to think longer term about how we might Integrate more smart or intelligent parking if there's an opportunity to think about, you know, space is available, etc I think that is a great way for us to both push the electronic aspect of this But also realize that even folks who were tech savvy like myself still rely on some good old-fashioned sides to find a place to park

2:04:38like council member seven obviously loves the signage I I agree with this and I actually will take it a step forward So I will support the administration And it's also a commitment to the state and a commitment to our business community that we're going to highlight the amount of parking That we have plenty of parking in our city and highlight the commitment to them To improve the signage and the wayfinding for those But to your idea And the you know the photo that we saw from all their cities where they have More digital tools and more better coordination That is not going to be an easy thing to solve but I would like to have a legislative intent drafted that directs a little Forward-looking approach to parking downtown where there is a better coordination in the private side of parking

2:05:35If if we can unlock that side and the the public parking options we have And wayfinding that accomplishes that where we can actually find out where really really are live parking spots. So that will be my my

2:05:51Taking that idea. I'm moving into the next level. So thank you so much for bringing that up. Yes There's one more I think that was it Oh, the next item is D2

2:06:08That is an allison item Yes, thank you, Kate for the reminder

2:06:15It says engineering planning and design housekeeping and expansion an ongoing amount of $350,000 is being requested This is really just cleaning up an error in last year's budget in the actual budget document

2:06:35The Basically they want to correct a reference that was mistakenly included in the FY 26 budget to transfer $350,000 to CIP funds The correct reference would be to transfer this amount to quote an operational expense in the non-departmental Cost center and quote which would allow any unspent funds to drop to fund balance at fiscal year end So the the money got categorized in an incorrect department or in an incorrect way And they're correcting the categorization, but the other parts of the item were previously

2:07:15We're previously approved Interesting so you found some cushion some some some money in one budget Okay, awesome. It seems like a housekeeping thing. Any questions? Okay, is there another item?

2:07:33We have a few more that we can go through. Austin's coming up. Oh, they're all

2:07:42Thank you Yeah, item D3 is another housekeeping item This is related to budget amendment number two In that amendment the council approved carry forward funding for outstanding obligations for the Department of Sustainability mainly for waste and recycling vehicles However, the revenue to offset the vehicle expenses was not included in that amendment So this also cleans up an error The item provides the revenue necessary to enter into the lease agreements for those vehicles

2:08:19And happy to help answer any questions

2:08:27You know the boring one so

2:08:31Item D4, this is a rescoping of open streets funding

2:08:39This funding is housed in the non-departmental budget and

2:08:44$400,000 was approved in FY26 As ongoing funding the administration is requesting that the full portion of this money be rescoped for other community events Including the downtown alliance blocks program in upcoming watch party And america 250 events which celebrates the 250th anniversary of america The administration is also fundraising to support these events

2:09:12council members I have some questions. So this is moving some economic development funds to specific events In the in the past Open streets if I remember right it was an item that was included in the administration's budgets since I've been on the council and before so is this Fully killing the idea of open streets in the future because you're sort of emptying the open streets program completely I think maybe it would be best to have the mayor's office respond in that one I want to put her on the spot Jill. I don't know if we could get your sorry So Alejandro was asking if the intent is to not fund the open streets program Anymore Because of this re scope And just to clarify open streets started

2:10:09In 2020 as a response to the pandemic to try and get people downtown But The city has funded it different ways kind of each year trying to figure out What the best way to put it on is and it's Become quite expensive. So, um, I don't know Jill probably has more information that she could share I think this would be a one-year departure because of the large special events that we had and

2:10:34Also because of the length of time it takes to sort of plan those four weekends We felt like this would be the best use of the funding for this year But definitely the next couple of years because of the temple open house We would want active at least maybe not open street streets as we've known it in the past Which is four set weekends, but rather activation downtown in slow periods is how we would want to approach it

2:11:04And that that is something that I Overload a deeper discussion about Certainly activation is something that we all trying to achieve and the open streets program Um It was aimed towards bringing people to downtown and you know and Creating that synergy with all the businesses Um, and I am not sure that some of these events do that. Um, you know, and I You know, I learned about some of those events through social media myself. Um, I I would love to understand whether administration's Vision on how is this helping?

2:11:44Uh, our business community for example, if that if that but if that is not the goal, you know, what is the other measures of success of what we are trying to do here? Um, I will love a conversation about this one at some point. Hopefully we can schedule that

2:11:59Sorry before we move on from this topic. There's um, Mr. Chair, we've been working with the downtown alliance on a briefing um to talk about what they're doing with the business community in conjunction with the Temple Square open house and I think that a lot of what they're talking about doing in conjunction with that would be relevant to You know future activation as well. So maybe we can Um, make sure to incorporate that as part of their briefing. I love that. Thank you

2:12:29Great. Um unless there's questions about the other housekeeping items, um, they're they're more generic and not

2:12:37Not as controversial. Um, we can go ahead and

2:12:42Close I think we we have finished uh, but you're number four, which is incredible. Um, That was a that was a big one too. Um, so good job everyone. Uh, thank you for surviving that. Um, and obviously we We're going to have, uh, you know Consul action on uh tentative consul action on february 17 Um, um, so And the pulley here tonight, uh for the for the pulley to participate on that. Thank you Uh, we're moving on to our item number eight advice and consent of select city chief information officer sak possner, um Zach will you join us to to the table here and make sure that the light of the microphone is on green and uh It is Your time as a green Thank thank you so much. I I don't have anything prepared. I have questions for me

2:13:45That's great. Otherwise, I'd love to say I've had the opportunity to meet with the mayor's office I've had the opportunity to meet with a number of folks in it Uh, it's a phenomenal team I'm really excited to join and and uh engage with those folks with constituents with all of you You've been working you worked for the city for how long?

2:14:06Uh, I worked for Salt Lake county until the end of last week. I was the chief information officer there Uh, and I've never had the opportunity to work for the city before I'm going to enjoy this building. Go ahead Yeah, thank you for being here. I know um, I'm super excited to be able to bring your expertise on to help inform I'm just curious for those who have not had the opportunity to meet you If you had to kind of capture like what is the role of technology in Immunissipality and like what are our opportunities to really?

2:14:37You know improve maybe the the individual neighbor resident experience just kind of curious like high level vision Something to be excited about yeah, so it's a really good question and the world is changing so fast right now that it's a really difficult one to answer Without understanding the landscape better, but I will say that uh It there's a lot of areas where I think that I can engage This job has the opportunity for an enormous amount of community engagement As we look at the use of artificial intelligence as we look at cybersecurity needs As we look at the opportunity to just engage with the community on a deeper level Um using data and analytics. I think that there's just an enormous amount of opportunity there for us as an organization

2:15:22I love that. Thank you for highlighting that. I think it's one of the things that I have really appreciated about All of the work I have seen from the city so far Trying to both consolidate Opportunities for folks to be aware. Here's how you can give input to our various surveys by putting them all on shape Um, but then also being able to create Opportunities for folks to get in contact with the right person without navigating through layers and layers of web pages through the my slc app Um, I really do think that you know as much as we have capacity between council As well as you know the administration and all the amazing people who work first Salt Lake City that our city is as strong as the people who are invested in it

2:16:07And so however we can use technology to be able to facilitate those communications I'm excited about that and similarly the better like the ways that we can also use that technology to make sure the message is Out there when we need to amplify a change in policy or an opportunity that exists within the city I would love to hear your vision and your ideas, especially as you spend more time here moving forward. So thank you for being here today Thank you. I'll just respond very briefly Um, I think one of the places where we can really help a lot not just in in a municipal organization, but everywhere it's Cutting down on the number of steps it takes to get to a service, right?

2:16:50It's so simple and so frustrating and I don't know how big that problem is here Even if it is a significant problem, but generally speaking it's something we definitely saw in the county where just constituents having to take more More steps than was really necessary frustrates them and leaves them with a bit of a bad taste in the mouth

2:17:09Um nice to meet you. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Um, I think one of the things in reference to the position You're gonna fill is How woefully unprepared I feel as a policymaker to step into questions like the AI space like data protection like mass surveillance and how we balance that with civil liberties Um, so for me moving forward, um, I would really love to see The productivity out of the department that I haven't asked for yet around opportunities for us to engage with this Especially as relates to our public safety apparatus Um, you know, I was telling the police department the other day the day the moment that a police person got off of a horse and got into a car There was a policy that had to be made there about how that car

2:17:58Didn't disproportionately burden the the people who might not have cars how it would be used And now we have like everything from when you can use your sirens and policy all the way through to how far away you can drive it When you go home at night, I don't feel like we have anything close to that that I'm familiar with that I'm fluent with that I'm comfortable with as as pertains to the AI implementations as pertains to um safeguarding as pertains to how we are Counterbalancing a sector of development that is rushing products to market without equality control on the back end That even our best intended practitioners of the city might not be able to counteract So I know these are really like deep like hypothetical. There are probably phed dissertations right now being written on them

2:18:45But I do think moving forward um in addition to like us just Delegating to you saying keep our city safe I think there is going to be at least for me a request to interact on this more so that I can become more fluent So that I can know what questions to be asking and how to protect constituents and neighbors in a more meaningful way from a A landscape that seems to be changing by the moment Yeah, I I really appreciate that and what I will say is You know most policies if you're lucky they're sort of revamped every five years and sometimes every 20 or 30 um AI is a space when when I put forward the AI policy and we worked with a Group of elected officials including council at the county and and other folks

2:19:30We made it very clear that this was going to be one where we're going to be coming back Probably annually maybe even more often than that and so I would really look forward to that partnership to be able to develop these things and hit it over and over again Because we're not going to get it right the first time

2:19:47Uh, I would like to uh, thank you so much for being here. You're also joining You know One of the best teams the city has Uh, not only they uh, they're able to keep up with you know The concerns of you know different departments and their needs the the very individual needs age department house uh for public engagement for data security and all of these aspects um, but also Uh put up with you know our passwords being locked out all the time Remember how to log in into our email Um, so it's actually quite impressive what the team does Also keeping these microphones working

2:20:29And the sound working in this and this and the chambers is always like Shockingly complicated, but it but it makes sense and we're always very thankful to to the team Of the the incredible effort that they put on to make sure that we are accessible city Um, and we'd love to to hear more You know, even a better vision to to accomplish that transparency that our public needs But I think it's important to maintain the customer service focus, uh, and what I will say is Uh, generally speaking as I've stepped into roles throughout my career There's always been a bit of a turnaround, uh, situation where it's hey, the team is struggling and they really need some help to get focused Uh, and unfortunately, I'm not seeing that here, right?

2:21:11So I'm only going to be a little bit of a fish out of water because I don't know what no the county That's for sure. I tell you I used to work for the county too Uh, well, thank you so much for joining us. You're going to become part of the consent agenda tonight So you don't have to to to to attend so, you know, that will be our final step on the process. Thank you. Thank you so much Thank you and welcome welcome to appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity Um, moving on right now to item number nine an informational item And this is uh, the legislative affair briefing. Um, and is a follow-up. Uh, as you know, uh, it is the team Oh, yes, um, Angela prize policy, uh, director for the legislative team

2:21:55Uh, showing us, uh, at the table. I want to highlight that the state legislature is in session And when the session is happening, there's a lot of bills that are being discussed And a lot of things, uh, happen and, uh, Angela, uh, leads, uh, our boys, uh, with our legislative team, so Angela, it's your time Thank you. It's good to see you all happy to be here with you this evening Um, I have a lot to cover so i'm just going to jump right in if that's okay. Chair, would you still like me to take 15 minutes?

2:22:28Yes, I actually budgeted 20, but you know, okay, perfect. So I will try to get through my portion in 15 or so and then leave some time for you guys Great. Um, first I want to start by saying that Um, for the public if you want to see what we're tracking, um, you can go to slc.gov backslash attorney backslash legislative hyphen affairs. I thought we had a simpler, um, hyperlink as i'm looking at that so Slc.gov slash legislative affairs Slc.gov slash legislative affairs It's a redirect to that page It redirect you, okay I was just pulling that up really quickly and it's like I feel like we did something different there Okay, so i'm going to start with taxes And there's a lot happening in the tax space. Um, and so

2:23:19I'm going to run through all of these bills. These will be negotiated probably until the gavel bangs on march 7th but um There are components I think of each bill I shouldn't say of each components of some of the bills that are gaining a little bit more traction than components of other bills So let's start with hb 425 local government fee amendments by representative Caron peterson. This is the tough bill We've been working on this bill for over two years and finally have gotten to a place of negotiation We as in the utal league of cities and towns um, the bill has a process for imposition for a transportation utility fee or a tough Which would require a study notice hearing dedicated Dedicated account

2:24:13Annual review and it needs to be reimposed every 10 years So even if you don't change the study you still need to re-impose it every 10 years Um, it defines the case law fee standard for amount charged that it must be reasonably related to services provided And then it also addresses broadband and public safety fees, but those are not applicable to salt lake Um, it changes some of the changes so that has been kind of standard language that we've seen in the in the this bill for the past two years the new information in the bill this year is The methodology and data that we have to provide so we do traffic counts Trip generation and vehicle types. We can't base a fee on the assessed value of property ownership

2:24:59And the fee shall not consider the lowest traffic day of the week that part is still being worked out The there's an appeal process. This was just released and it's still in rules Any questions on transportation utility fees? Okay, chair, would you like me to do questions at each bill or at the end? You know, if it gets out of hand, you know, it takes too much time, but maybe we just let keep it going because my teacher has a question Okay, you just want to confirm. I think I can't remember what we said when we say lowest Traffic day of the week is that per entity or is that for a generalized locality? Like we're talking about the fair park area if the fewest number of cars Move through the fair park area on a sunday. Are we not counting anything on a sunday or is it?

2:25:49Like smith's gets counted but on sunday they have the fewest trips so they don't get counted on sunday But another team might be counted. Yeah, did you want to weigh on on that Jen? On the way I understand it from the discussions that we've had is that it's per type of use so like each The study that we would do to calculate what fees have like for example residential use single family residential use It would have like multifamily residential use there might be a use for commercial that separate from institutional educational that kind of thing so Each one of those would have a lowest traffic county Okay, thank you and that part is still being negotiated. I think that's kind of one of the hinging points still on

2:26:33Where the league and others are on Indology that they intend to use as well for that

2:26:40Okay, um sp97 property tax amendments this bill was subbed in committee and passed the sub passed out of committee. This is senator mckay's um legislation It would have a 5% cap on property tax increase For city budget that part is likely coming out. That's one of that's what he said in committee It changes locally assessed new growth It changes how project area new growth for certain entities and does not include a change in value for tangent tangible personal property The sub sub one has um the fund balance reduced from 35 to 25 Percent has a residential exemption of one per household It states that property tax cannot be in reserve fund for capital improvements It has certified tax rate won't include interest from investment

2:27:36And as I said, there's this is one of those big kind of broad sweeping tax bills that there are pieces in here that will likely move forward And there are pieces in here that will likely

2:27:48That will likely not move forward for us one of our biggest concerns Obviously is the tax on um or I'm sorry the cap on property tax for the city And then also the um changes around new growth tax and how that would impact the city budget specifically with developments like s ej going in gendody want to add just to um just to emphasize that for council members especially the type of new growth we see in the city is so um Intense meaning, you know, we'll go from a piece of property that doesn't have anything to a 30 story apartment building with lots of people that live in it that need police and fire and so we've made the case To several legislators that that's how we fund the growing service needs in the city

2:28:34And I think several of the other cities are making that same point the I wanted to just make one other comment on the residential Exemption so this is a little bit of a rabbit hole, but I think there are huge implications for residents And for affordability so it's kind of there's two sides to the coin It would mean that if you're a person who owns property and you live in your house that is your primary residence And let's say you have several rental properties that you rent out You could not you would be taxed as if those properties were commercial property So at the full value of the property so that would increase though the tax bill For those folks if you remember how truth and taxation works

2:29:14We don't necessarily get any more money It just kind of shifts around the burden of of that pie And there's no way to really guarantee that the landlord is not going to pass that the cost increase on to the renter Um, and so that's one of the discussion points that was brought up at the league meeting Monday That I thought was a good point and you know, just I think illustrates the Unintended consequences of basically all of these conversations Thankfully we have the most brilliant tax expert here Jen burrino and mary bev tomsen This bill Seems to be evolving quite a lot because of the pushback from every city in the state

2:29:56and I Will like to I was just looking at the tracker in the website and it's very old So we can make sure for the public sake that we have an updated tracker on the website. This one is from January 16th Yeah, I think they are supposed to be updating it every Friday is my understanding. Yeah, that's like, you know, two or a half weeks Yeah, I'll make sure they do that I and I will love to don't want to certainly a big problem face value. Maybe many people might know might think that You know Copy taxes is a good thing But you know the unintended consequences of this one is it's very problematic for for our city and every city in the state So we're very concerned about that. So thank you for the update on it. Mm-hmm

2:30:42Um, sorry I also think with all of the tax bills because there's a couple others that we heard about at lpc this week Um, I'm finding really problematic that at no point in any of these tax deliberations Is there the inclusion this came up with the um, pit bill the tif the tif bill at no point in any of these tax bills is there a consideration for the current situation of the city in reference to other pre-emptions And so What's likely to happen in these is death by a thousand paper cuts Since each developer is just like well, I just need a little bit off of this one for this parking structure I just need a little bit off of this one and then in a city like ours Well in a district like mine that has two authorities that are already pre-empting

2:31:30taxation were literally Not only delaying a new growth payout because new growth doesn't pay for itself our current Residents pay for the new growth and then the new growth helps pay moving forward But this puts us in a position where current residents pay for the new growth and then subsidize it indefinitely Um, and we never will refill that cup So it feels really anathema to the utat ethos anyway to like honor what was here and our heritage and then the people who Establish this but in any of these bills and any of these negotiations I really do think there has to be a statement of city's current position like no one would make a deal in the private sector without a statement of position for an entity and

2:32:15Everyone's really willing to spend our money without an accounting for if there's money to be spent

2:32:22Yeah, that's a good point. Thank you

2:32:26All right, HP 161 property tax modifications by representative kaufer this changes the residential exempt exemption from 55 Percent of its value to 40 percent of its value And that additional property tax exemption shift would move to commercial It requires a constitutional amendment. This is still in rules HB 236 truth and taxation amendments by representative karen peterson this would require a secondary truth and tax Taxation meeting in mayor june and then it would also require two different budgets not adopted You still have to adopt a budget, but we have to prepare two budgets One would be a tentative operating budget that includes includes the personal proposed Property tax increase and one that doesn't

2:33:16This is passed out of house and rev tax house and revenue tax committee and it's on the third reading calendar for the house and then the last one then and then we've sorry just for the council members who haven't been in the legislative subcommittee discussions or LPC our staff and Finance have been working closely with league staff on how We can navigate this bill and what the representative is trying to accomplish in the bill Which is trying to make the truth and taxation hearing that usually happens in august more The term meaningful is often used that you know by then all the decisions have been made and so the public may be not feel as heard We've emphasized with league staff How in our form of government adopting two budgets would be very very?

2:34:08difficult and so I think that to angeles point that term adopt is the term that is still being massaged because Right now we just kind of we're trying to figure out how to navigate it and whether we can and then um Even more fun. It will Likely be effective for this budget season. So whatever ends up happening. We will have to figure it out quickly so Yeah, imagine having to read two budgets. Um You know The the the concern here is is an interesting one You know, I think it's just a public education piece that you know could solve this but I appreciate you following up with this bill Okay, great The last tax bills hb 449 Utah taxpayer oversight of government spending amendments by representative oxier

2:35:08This would require voter approval for an increase in revenue it prohibits the city from spending more than the fiscal year's budget adjusted for

2:35:18inclination plus any new tax increases passed by the voters Requires a refund if the previous year's fiscal budget is it exceeded And prohibits the state from imposing new requirements on cities without funding. This is also in rules still and just was released Um any questions. Well, let me just say one last thing on the tax bills there's um There's a brain trust that has been formed to help the legislature navigate the numerous tax bills that have been proposed by various legislators Our concerns about new growth and the specific dynamics and salt lake city around districts and things that we have here Have been being conveyed in those working groups and also anytime we have a chance to meet with a legislator. We are also bringing that up

2:36:07um We will likely have to Negotiate and accept some tax policy that might not be great, but it will be the less Less bad of the tax policy. So more to come there. We're going to have a big tax run through and legislative sub committee this week as well with kate Um anything else on taxes or on move to transportation

2:36:33We'll love to hear back about what you are hearing on the ground about any Tax cuts of the state might want to offer this year and Has they seem to be they've been doing that every year for the last several years? Um, but at the same time putting on the back of our neighbors here in salt lake and across many municipalities uh More services and unfunded mandates So, you know while they're giving you know 40 hours a year to all of us At the end of the year We are paying more and stretching our Lidded tax dollars to do more services. Um, so are they Looking into doing another Tax cut Do you know? Yeah, there is um proposal for income tax cut and there's also a proposal for a gas tax cut Um the gas tax

2:37:27We are at a record number of bills Uh, it's a little terrifying that senate bills are already in the 240s and house bills are in the 460s for 70s And we still don't have a lot of the really big bills out yet the gas tax being one of them So there are there are some discussions in that space for sure Sorted. Yeah, it is. It's like christmas every day Uh, okay transportation sp 197 transportation Governance amendments is the senator harper's legislation that changes the leadership structure of uta It has an executive director that reports directly to the governor It removes the three trustee model and creates a transit commission similar to the transportation commission that exists under u.dot

2:38:15It removes local representation From the transfer transit commission Although the council of governments or cog is allowed to nominate an individual to the governor for consideration So salt lake county would get an opportunity to nominate a governor or i'm sorry nominate an individual that would go to the governor Right now the legislation is very specific that no elected officials are allowed to be appointed either from the legislature or from local government It would infuse money into uta and transit projects And from salt lake cities perspective we're concerned about this legislation um, I think there's support around this new model and ways to improve transit throughout the state One of our concerns that we've been conveying or our partners have been conveying for us is that salt lake city invest quite a bit of money into

2:39:10Services within our city Both through our, you know, west side Program that we offer the student passes the employee passes and so we want to ensure that we still have um, the ability to have that really strong partnership with uta in the city and that we're able to continue providing those services Uh, this has passed passed out of committee on friday, but there are still negotiations ongoing spell any questions on this one Sorry, you know problematic um, you know, especially because of those commitments that we've been able to uh to work with uta in the past and um, you know to enhance services Bus services on the west side the on call services that we have right now uh, also services the west side and other parts of town I

2:40:02I um Is concerning that you know the A future position might not see the value on those Um, and I you know, I appreciate you following this legislation. Great. Thank you SB 242 transportation amendments by senator harper. This is the big transportation omnibus bill This literally is hot off the press maybe two hours ago So I want to caveat this has been covered by the media and um, the city is still very much reviewing this bill because we literally just got it Um, but what what I will say is that

2:40:43The legislation proposes to repeal all of the provisions in SB 195 Which was the legislation from um I should sorry. I should clarify Repeals all the provisions in SB 95 that are directed towards tall lake city Not the entire big transportation omnibus bill So SB 195 was the road bill from the 2025 session that would um Required the city to do a study with udot and required the city to ossidua mobility plan It requires the city to enter into an agreement with udot to memorialize what was in the udot Report presented in october and the city's written response presented in november both of those were provisions that were required in the 2025 legislation those have been completed which is why Um, that part of the legislation is being repealed

2:41:36Um, it also requires the that we enter into that agreement by january 1st of 2027 And sets out parameters of items that need to be included in that agreement with udot It expands the study area that was um outlined in the previous iteration of the Last year um and that expansion is um, it's still the um eastern boundary is still foot hill And then it expands to eat to redwood road Um, the northern boundary is still 600 north and then it expands to the southern boundary of the city It amends the definition of highway reduction strategy and adds in a traffic calming definition It requires that the critical routes map be adopted and it distinguishes what tier 1 through 4 roads are And that that awesome must be posted on the city's website

2:42:34Just to put a reminder there the critical routes map was um proposed in the udot study Uh that was presented to the transportation interim committee in october and also in um The city's response that we agreed to the udot um critical routes map and our presentation Um in november to the transportation interim committee And then it also requires an annal report to the transportation Interim committee as I said, this was just released So we're still doing a full analysis of how this will impact the city

2:43:09Thanks. I wanted to ask because I know um, we haven't decided how we're going to use the 100 million dollars from the scc But would that be something we should be looking at in case we wanted to use it ever for uta related projects or anything else So that's the collection of the It's over the 30 years. It would be the ticket the excess ticket fee. Oh the um ticket fee that that was limited to um Several uses outlined in the agreement the participation agreement. We have we have with us each so it's not Not transit it was um I'm blanking on it. I thought we did include transit affordable housing public art

2:43:52I think I don't know that transit was part of it But we heard we'll do all um, I'll pull out the agreement and refresh my memory You're good. I thought transit was a part of it and I just wanted to make sure that didn't interfere with that Right, we also um have not started receiving that and I think the estimates have changed a little bit since the first Kind of rounds of discussion. So I just want to make sure the expectation isn't 100 million like it's or actually going to have it So, um, we'll just have to and and the other um consideration that I know um mary Beth's team is working on is to the extent that it fluctuates

2:44:27That limits our ability to like bond with that money upfront. That makes sense. Okay, so It would otherwise be like a year-to-year allocation of kind of like you guys do with the nova Okay, for affordable housing. Yeah

2:44:41I would love to uh, certainly this bill There's a lot of questions I have about it, um and You know when it talks about impacts of traffic calming Uh, it's something that I am very interested in and having conversations with some religious leaders about those I thought last year the agreement um got to a place where we paid for some studies and UTAs run some studies related to the impact of of some of these measures Um, and they issue those responses So it's almost like I would like to know Are we still listening to those studies that were commissioned?

2:45:23Are we using that feedback or you know, and by we you know are the legislators using that feedback? um Because I thought we had some sort of general Vision where we wanted to be and understood what their concerns were um, I For sure. I want to make sure that we are sort of talking about the same issues Um, and understanding what they're saying at the same time. Um, also for the sake of um transparency, I would love to understand what Potentially as they impact to our city Even financially to what this bill does face value

2:46:03And I I would like to understand how we are going to pay for something like that That that's probably beyond you know your department But I would like to try to figure out if that's even possible. Um, so I appreciate you following up with this bill Oh, yes come from a picture. I also when

2:46:23As much as we disliked last year's at least there was a unified goal which was protecting the commercial center And making sure by expanding this to redwood the criteria for what is needed is so drastically different And I spoke to several influential people about this bill who tried to gain my support for Including the west side and I still abjectly do not We do not have traffic calming infrastructure. We know this historically our own studies proved it So the needs and the actual purpose of our work on the west side is materially different Than what it is in a commercial center and I don't trust That a state level can see the nuance of a neighborhood by neighborhood analysis that needs to be done

2:47:11and so from my vantage point I There cannot be enough vigilance over protecting our neighborhood since I've lived here in 2013 and miss margarit Correct me if I'm wrong we have had three children killed on 500 north Because of driving and that number has not increased since we implemented traffic calming measures as mild as they are I don't trust that someone who operates at the state Just by virtue of where they operate just by virtue of why we have different levels of government Can understand the neighborhood by neighborhood analysis and miss margarit has verified and validated everything she's my OG so we're so I know I'm standing on firm ground but I

2:47:56Please help us advocate. I cannot Imagine seating even an inch that we've gained for our west side traffic calming Thank you. I just want to support council member petro in that statement um, you know when we get a phone call or have a concern that comes in related to one of our neighborhood roads I drive by it like that is my like natural reaction. It's like great. What's the concern?

2:48:24I'm going to go to that location. I'm familiar with the neighborhoods and we can kind of assess You know what's happening and what the opportunities are when you start implementing layer upon layer upon layer of you know Government levels that need to be involved in that space now all of the sudden instead of saying okay went and checked it out You're right. There does need to be a solution now instead I'm sending constituents to representatives and or leaders Who don't necessarily live in the neighborhood?

2:48:56Aren't as familiar with the city and it becomes yet one more outreach for help and support I'm on a long list of needs and expectations that they have um in dealing with even the Existing infrastructure and roles and responsibilities of seventh east We found a lot of challenges in terms of being able to address neighbor concerns And a lot of our neighbors feeling bounced around where they're like, okay Well, you're saying it's not you and you're sending me to them But they're saying it's not really us and maybe we should go back You know to a different department and I appreciate that a lot of our state leaders haven't had that direct experience Because that's not a part of their role of governance is really keeping an eye on our streets and the transportation systems in the neighborhoods

2:49:47Um, but anything you can help us with in terms of just expressing some of the realities of what we're experiencing Already in a day-to-day space Um, and that honestly we're looking for efficiency We're looking for the ability to cut down on red tape and we really just want to see The ability to respond to neighborhood issues to keep our families safe. Thank you Yeah, thank you You know I tell the constituents and people that one of the most difficult parts about being on city council Is the the text updates that we get at all times of day or night Whenever there's a critical incident that happens in the city And that includes when people get hit by cars and we just all got that message yesterday

2:50:42Um of An elderly woman who is hit by a car near You went to elementary school and is in critical condition from that and

2:50:57When I look at the statistics Um for each year and we're having Anywhere we're having I think last year was 19 Um, either deaths or serious bodily injuries um between pedestrians and traffic um I I don't know how this Why would the state want us to not address one of the leading causes of death in the city like if it was a murder rate

2:51:34We would be We would be having an entirely different conversation about um The state wanting us to do more to try to bring that number down Um, so of the things that are within our ability to control, you know, we don't regulate health care We don't regulate all of those things but crime and traffic are Are fundamental to what we're doing and all we're trying to do here is preserve People's lives and the people that are typically dying in these auto-ped um accidents are People that are already disabled people that are elderly children Can we get some of the families of these individuals to come and speak to legislators to talk about, you know and put a face to What it is that we're trying to do?

2:52:23um Because I don't And I also think it's we have to emphasize that this is inextricably linked to adding more housing downtown And in our city which we're trying to do so that we don't have to close any more schools but families don't want to live in a place where they can't bike safely where they can't walk safely um and We have to be able to balance the need for housing and Livability with the fact that people need to be able to drive downtown and that's all that we're asking to do here um, but I really would like

2:53:03for any individuals that are listening that have um Any families that have been impacted by one of these deaths that can reach out to legislators and explain that um You know trying to reduce this number is Our first one of our first and foremost duties as council members Um, and I don't know why we would be working against each other on that on protecting life, especially those of our most vulnerable

2:53:34We obviously feel very strongly about this and and you know just to add and you know, and I'm surprised that because when we're doing the Indian say a thing, but I you know the the This has been a response. We have responded to thousands of calls or emails and our own sometimes our own experiences our own friends experiences of You know Walking through the streets or biking through the streets or even driving and realizing that this is an a very unsafe intersection or or or block and We made an effort to to lead in this in this matter with administration taking Big focus on this and we have funded it. Um, and we We want more time to prove the point we love Would love for more neighbors to use them for more neighbors to speak up for them

2:54:33I see one of the protected black lanes a block from my house being used every day more more time You know with kids and that was not a street that was safe at all before and I I hate to see bills like this And I would love to try to coordinate a better response While we are trying to achieve here to make our cities safe. So thank you. Thank you I know I'm at time. I have police and homelessness, but I'm happy to to Shut down so you guys Yeah, if you if you want to go through a few other wonderful bills, we'll love to hear. Thank you and as I mentioned that bill literally just came out so I think we can report back on how What local control you guys still have over neighborhood roads? I think those are really good points that you've raised and

2:55:28um And so I'll pass that along. I have a deep appreciation for sinner harper and chair Since you told me I should be speaking You all made great comments and I totally appreciate that because when I sit in the league board meetings I can also Relay that same message to them. We've already had conversations about this bill and come up with a lot of Comments before which are very similar to the ones you've kind of said here. So Appreciate that all and We'll do our damn this Before we move on. What's the number that bill again? Sorry?

2:56:06SB 242. Thank you. Yeah All right, um, hb 287 driver privilege cards by representative Lee This revokes the driver privilege cards after may 6th of this year It requires police to report an individual to ice if they're undocumented and in a car accident This bill is heavily opposed by law enforcement both by the chiefs and by LELC, which is the law enforcement working group and obviously by our um pd and our um in our uh And you know our our city as well it's still in rules and there's also a lot of bills in the um

2:56:54In the pd pd has a lot of bills in general so um Send vibes to our police team that's reviewing bills and our attorneys But there are several bills. Um also targeting the utilization of various technology and requiring reporting to the state requiring um approval by the state if you use certain technology And I think there's a lot of kind of split around that technology Both from uh like how was that data being stored and used and potentially shared within entities that um, you know, we may not want that information to be shared with versus how you know can our um law enforcement agencies use that Information to be able to keep our streets safe and police so there's a lot of kind of push and pull in that space

2:57:46and then um I'll just quickly hit on um homelessness as well um hb 205 substance abuse intervention amendments by representative clancy This creates off-limit areas for people convicted of drug offenses and limits the public places that needle exchange programs can operate in This um past out of committee yesterday and our police chief chief read um spoke in support of that legislation sp 137 the homeless service board amendments by senator plum adds physical and mental health representation to the utah homeless services board and that is also past out of committee And then sp 239 state homeless campus amendments by senator eskemia That was also just released this afternoon. So we're still analyzing this legislation

2:58:36But um, essentially it puts guardrails around the state homeless campus by requiring the state homeless coordinator To work with the utah homeless services board to create a comprehensive service plan For the campus and gives the homeless service and buds men oversight and investigative power over campus operations It also requires our um law enforcement and our fire to report any incident That happened at um the campus and again as I said, that was just introduced today. So we're still analyzing that for um how it impacts the city Um, I do have some land use stuff, but I think we're kind of at time. So I guess any resemble resemblance of funding for the campus uh conversations. No So it seems like that

2:59:24You know, there's no Clear funding to make this happen. Correct Yeah, so where does What is it? Is there any conversations about this or is it just kind of dead right? Yeah, I think I I don't know I think this will also be one of those bills that like topics that kind of go to the end of the session I think there's sort of two and I mean he's the word camp which may be uh No pun intended on that, but I think there's kind of two camps one of um, you know shoring up existing um, services and one of like having this new campus model and Without adequate resources neither one of those really um are successful So I think the conversation is really focused around funding and how we can shore up whatever model it is that moves forward

3:00:19Yeah, and certainly from the public safety plan and the pieces that they needed to Uh happen from the state level and the county level You know, we also needed You know beds available that was many of us have concerns about that project, but ultimately it was accomplishing some pieces of what we wanted to accomplish um, certainly the process the location we had a lot of thoughts and opinions about this um, but um, so is there You know are we set for failure again, right where there's not going to be that's available Um, and yet we have to we are mandated to enforce on on impossible tasks Um, so certainly this is the conversation you have all the time over there, but I will have any updates if you hear of anything

3:01:08Yeah, and I I know chief read has been having those conversations as um has the mayor and other entities as well It's hard to enforce when we don't have a place for people to go and that's always been an issue so Um, it that makes it very challenging for our police officers and certainly the individuals that are on the streets

3:01:30Thank you so much for your time. Yeah, thank you. Sorry for taking up so much time on your agenda And I'm always here for you guys have any questions or concerns or want updates on certain bills. Let me know We are here for you. Oh my god. Thank you. So you guys have been great and we appreciate you and we are We joke we're like a quarter of the way through the session and maybe like 2% through the work so give lots of

3:01:55Vibes to our department directors and our attorneys who are Reading a lot of legislation and providing us in feedback. So thank you all on behalf of every resident of Salt Lake City And every visitor of the city and every future resident of the city I thank you For the work that you do and the team behind you To advocate for our values our rights, um and you know making sure that we are

3:02:25Sharing we doing a good job here together. So thank you. Thank you for those kind words Uh, okay moving on to number 10 board appointment historical landmark landmark commission, um, steven cornel Um joining us here at the table and you have a few minutes to tell us why do you want to join the historic landmark commission We'll look to hear from you. Yeah um I am preservation architect and I've spent my career

3:02:57Practicing that portion of architecture Since I came to salt lake in 2005 Um, I've worked for various firms um Practicing preservation. I'm currently teaching full-time at Utah valley university. Um, we're attempting to get a preservation Programs set up and running down there for that university, which is exciting um I think what really compelled me to

3:03:25Come before you today is that you know my good friend and colleague john yunowski was on the landmark's commission and he recently has moved away And so there's an open position for an architect And I thought that would be a good opportunity for me to to come and fill that position. So that's that's why i'm here

3:03:45Thank you so much for being here any comments

3:03:50I'm just always appreciative of people volunteering for such specialties of this because There's not many of you guys around or you people that skill and and we need to fill those holes And it's just wonderful that we Some steps up and to fill that responsibility. And so I thank you very much for doing that happy to do it

3:04:12I uh, so the process here. I thank you for uh volunteering Um, it really makes a difference our city really Thrives with the the feedback and the input from from members like you. Um, I'm sure you could do a million other things Um, but you know it means a lot to to shape this city that we we love together. Um, the process here goes Uh, we're gonna put you on the consent agenda tonight. So you don't have to go 10 At all And the stuff from the administration will let you know the next steps when that's done. Great. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you

3:04:50Council members now we're moving on to the standing items. Um, any reports from you vice chair

3:04:59So we talked about this um earlier during our retreat follow-up, but I just wanted to signal to other council members that we Wanted to put together a and are beginning to put together the very early designs of a working group To address some of the community concerns that have come before us regarding immigration enforcement efforts Uh, we envision this working group to really be a place where we convene Interested stakeholders like Community members members of the legal community the business community nonprofits and other possible government agencies who are Um focused on this topic and really the intention is to think about what we might be able to do within our power Regarding this topic. So chair, I don't know if there is more that you'd like to add

3:05:47But just that this is very early stages And that there is more to be fleshed out in this plan. Yeah, and ultimately as to uh, as to channel The the feedback and to sort through the things that are happening And to understand what can we do? Um, please it goes beyond, you know, just it's a support generally to our community And it is my hope that we we can build the trust with our community and and between all of us and the members of the Of the organizations that are actually doing the work every day to understand what really is needed Um, so I'm excited to to to get to a place where those meetings starts happening more often And all of us have worked on specific issues already the last several several weeks

3:06:37So I thank you for your patience on that and we will hear you and we hear the community Deciders to do something that is meaningful and we're going to be working on putting our own meaningful things um now report announcements from the executive director Thank you mr. Chair. Um, just a couple there Annually each council member may opt to use the public utility billing for outreach purposes once per calendar year There are months of april august and december have been

3:07:12Have been identified And so let staff know if you would like to include your newsletter in one of those public utilities billings We did get a question from um council member recently about Um, what the cost difference is between doing the public utilities billing and then just doing a district wide mailing and so that's provided below um As you can see they're slightly different based on like printing and how many um households they're mailed to things like that. So I think Everyone agrees the public utilities newsletter is much more economical. Um, but it also may have less Impact right it might not be as easily seen as a direct mail billing But that's a balance for you guys to evaluate. So just let your constituent liaison know

3:07:58um if you want to Which direction you want to go and which month you want to sign up for and that's it the

3:08:11I open my bills my you know every time I I love to see how much water i'm using in comparison with the previous year um, I discover I had a water leak in my house years ago because of that by the way, um, and uh, I spent more water and One month than like half the year Which is insane that I didn't know but you know, it was just leaking in the street in my portion of the street and unfortunately, but the

3:08:40So it's actually a very useful place, but I understand I know everybody does Or if you um, so if you get the e statement it can also be very easy to ignore all of the pdf attachments to your e statement

3:08:54The eversion also comes with the pdf from that we sent. Yeah, okay, that's that's good to know Um, awesome more council members. Thank you. But now we're gonna move I will need a close meeting motion and stuff has highlighted with with our attorney's uh feedback that Um, it's not a closed session What we go to is a close meeting And we have to really try to remember that I will be you know I have a hard time with my words sometimes, but I hope that we can all remember that it's a close meeting So on the purpose of the close meeting is attorney client matters is anybody Ready to make a motion mr. Chair. I move that we go into meeting For the purpose of discussing attorney client matters second have a motion by councilmember warden and a second by councilmember

3:09:45Lopez Chavez I'm gonna call the question. Uh, councilmember young I Councilmember dougan. Yes, councilmember petro I Councilmember chavis Yes, Lopez Chavez. I love a show is sorry against the councilmember warden yay councilmember karzen I Am saying I couldn't say I mean I as well this motion case unanimously wearing a close session Oh meeting I say

0:00So since it's time-ish, we're going to follow up with our retreat from last meeting that we had with the Council of Staff. And the purpose of having this follow-up is to take away what we learn, maybe narrow down some things and also some shared some other aspects of how we work together better and how we can do a bigger impact as a body.

0:35So Erika, you had some- Yeah, well I just want to acknowledge that not everyone is here so our intention is to just create a space for us to follow up on what came up in the retreat. One of the things that we talked about in the retreat are Council Member Priorities and so before each of you is a summary capturing some of those priorities that were shared, we know that this is not an exhaustive list.

1:03We know that there is more information regarding what you'd like to get done this year that may surface in this list. So Council Member Poohy and I will be setting up meetings with each of you to talk through your priorities and surface more of what's not on this list and find some areas for agreement follow-up and maybe ways we can begin to take some action.

1:27Anything you'd add to that? No, I definitely agree. I'm hoping that we're going to have a meeting soon so we can- as the- the Vice Chair and the Chair, we can be the ones helping you accomplish those goals for this year so we can be understanding better really how in depth you want to go, what direction you want to go about those issues.

1:51So we're going to be scheduling those meetings so thank you for bringing that up. Yes. Any questions as we- anything that Council Members want to follow up on from the retreat, anything that we could help to clarify or further surface? I know we're still getting settled. And I'll maybe just invite if there are any kind of edits or corrections for any of these words that are on the paper, please let staff know and we're happy to make those.

2:29Thanks for doing this. This is great. Appreciate that and appreciate the- and look forward to the conversation because you're right, we probably didn't all- I didn't touch on all my- but I didn't touch on a few top ones and so it's great to see that it all printed out in this format so appreciate that very much for future discussion.

2:48Thanks. Excellent. Council Member Lopez-Chavers, any- No, this is awesome. Unfortunately, I couldn't join. I was traveling but I definitely want to better understand my colleagues' priorities, especially as it comes to the budget and looking at- it looked like I would just add in D4, some of the financing from the CRA's side of the house is kind of covered in there but I think in the budgetary needs just understanding how we can best prepare for some of the changes to our budget.

3:23Yes. I think that's not on here that I think should be is actually a communications plan for increased operating services or increased cost to operations. I think just communicating that becomes difficult and I think that's- I'd like to include that in our priorities. That's more of an internal inside a house but having a communications plan in preparation for this budget I think is going to be crucial.

3:48It's a tight economic year, constant national narrative of affordability plus just looking at the market today. There's a lot of I think real fear and then just want to highlight the senior services because D4 was in there. We do have an aging population so just going to bring it up because I wasn't there. That I think that's something that we should all look at at some point but it doesn't necessarily have to be a priority for every district but just we are the per capita by population, the oldest growing population, aging population in the entire state.

4:22We just want to remind folks that's a come see gardener 2025 fact 83.8% of salt leakers are aging over 65. So just want to let you guys know that. Thank you for that. Council Member Wharton any thoughts, reflections, wonderings coming up? Put you on the spot here, sorry. That's okay. I, yes. Sorry, I've got several. I don't want this to seem like a rewrite or anything.

5:05But I would say on property use or this is kind of more of a permitting thing or maybe this is better under resident sentiment. I touched on this a little bit in my presentation. I would love it if we have a legislative improvements legislative opinion improves on Salt Lake City. That would be great. But I think maybe a more realistic goal is that we hear from residents.

5:40I think we hear a lot that the city is hard to work with or the process is difficult. So anything that we can do to streamline some profit and processes. I would love to see us do that. I think we are doing that with some of our zoning changes. But I would love to see opportunities to make that quicker. And see what else they have.

6:15On parks, we've got off leash dogs. I would say I would love to have a clearer policy and clearer signage in the parks that have off leash dog areas and on trails what the rules are. We all add under parks that we really need the trail signage that we've been promising and talking about for a long time up there about trail etiquette which trails are bike trails which are multi-use which are hiking trails.

6:57I would love to see us get those signs. We've been talking about the signs for five years. So I would love to have that signage. And then sensitive topic. But oh, I would like to add D3. I think it says parentheses all for thriving in place. But that's obviously a huge priority for me. Streets. Sorry, I know this is a sensitive topic right now.

7:30But I still would like to talk about either traffic calming or if we're going to be more limited on what traffic calming we do then we need to put more resources towards traffic enforcement as a way to keep neighborhoods safer. And then of course I still would love to see us have a mural program that increases the amount of murals especially in our downtown area.

8:06So I'd add that to public art. And then finally this is more of a personal goal and I shared this with some of you but I really think that I want to try to be myself and I want to try to be for each of you fostering and strengthening the council dynamic. So this is a personal goal and I hope you'll join me is that when I think back on my time on the council some of the times that have been the most stressful for me are when there's like a personal disagreement and we're kind of talking past each other or we're not able to resolve that.

8:57One voice is really important to me whether that includes the administration or whether it's one voice from the council once we make a decision it doesn't mean that we can't disagree but I would love to I'm not going to say disagree better. I'm fine with us disagreeing. I'm fine with us having split votes but I want to be better about communicating and being clear with each of you how I feel about an issue going into it so that I'm not taking anybody by surprise.

9:30I'm not stepping on anybody's toes and I'm being honest and upfront with you with where I stand. I think that's really critical and that communication and that group dynamic is critical to our overall success and us being a team. So yeah so please don't misunderstand that I'm not saying we all have to agree and one voice I don't even think means we always have to agree but I do think once we've made a vote and we've decided that we're moving forward that we should be clear with each other ahead of time what our position is that if we're on the minority side of that vote that there's an opportunity to at least be heard and that we can move forward on whatever the vote is together.

10:18So that's a personal goal of mine but I wanted to share it with all of you because I hope that you'll join me in doing that. Thank you. I really appreciate that Chris by you and trying to be the convener and you know the bridge builder. I think that we are stronger when we work together even when we disagree sometimes the idea has become better because of the disagreement and we might still vote in different manners this year on different issues but my goal is not to shine by making you look bad right as to focus on the policy and I think that hopefully all of us are accomplishing the same thing as like let's shine as a city let's shine through the policy that we're putting forward and by the healthy debate that we can have I think that is one of the things I

11:26hope that I you know on part of this year. I'm talking about this the issues here certainly love how the staff put this together is helping a ton. I would like to add obviously a public art on the West Side is a project that I would say to Chris's point public art in general not only on the West Side it's just actual public art and you know that being murals or things structures.

12:00Thank you. Well no I just wanted to pick up I think one thing that I've noticed this being my third year on the council is that on the public art discussion it came up every year and we got to a place where all of us shared this is a great example you heard from every council member saying every resident is wants to see beautification in the form of art and I think holding us accountable to fulfill to finishing those policy discussions would be great and I'd love to I think if I may share and maybe it's because it's the last year in my 20s but I do feel some urgency to some of these discussions only because they're we're getting pulled into really relevant discussions away from that that we no one's dropping the ball but I think

12:45the departments have the onus of reporting back to us and if staff can help us stay on track because I think this is a great one example again with arts council I was like to learn that so much operating cost goes into project management but not the completion of the art itself or even stewarding the art has been a difficult thing to understand we talked about that I also think separating the CRA and the arts council assets I'd like to see it compiled into one from the research I've done in other cities instead of separating them I don't think the CRA should be maintaining any art and at least in district four a lot of the art is your own so just something where I think like I think this is great if we could

13:29break it up and help us understand what the budgeting capacity is for each of these and then what's a policy or legislative intent to follow but that's one where I was like listen yeah like that that's something that the department should own and should want to own and we shouldn't have to be leveraging our abilities all the time to micromanage them but if that's what we have to do that's what we have to do yeah and I think that's one of the things about the CRA right and how fast and they have other revenue you know funding mechanisms and they were able to accomplish a lot of our goals through that way but to your point I think we need to have this discussion and the policy debate on art so that's false

14:09within us and focus on that too so I'm glad that we're finding a commonality on that I I really hope that this year is a tough year I mean none are lie I wish you know we were focused only on the municipal work you know and and we were not dealing with a federal administration that is doing this to our neighbors but as the cars that were being handed to us and at the same time I want to learn how to keep my own emotions and my own relationship with you in a healthy place so we can accomplish things and things that we can actually control and not lose sight of the goals that we can make an impact in our city we will make an impact if we're working together so I that's my commitment to you and I will do my best to reach out in the

15:03next week to all of you and the ones that are not here too to to have conversations about your issues but also how could I better serve in this in this role so that is really my my feedback

15:21well I think this is a good place to pick up on something else that we also wanted to talk about and councilmember warren you surface this which is kind of some of agreements about how we'll work together and councilmember pooe you shared some of those thoughts about how will we work together to get to set out and accomplish some of the things that we'd like to accomplish in a very challenging year and so I want to share that as the newest new kid on the block newest member of the council some of the things that I would love from each of you in terms of working relationships is to really see me as a partner to be respectful in our interactions similar to what councilmember warren talked about

16:06if you know we've come to a decision even if I'm in the minority of that decision that I respect the the majority of the group in terms of where the body is moving towards and that in each of our meetings we're creating an environment that is respectful responsive and allows us to do our work but also is following an orderly process and so those are some of the things that are surfacing for me as a as a new member on the council I don't know councilmember pooe if you would add more around kind of these working agreements for us as a body this year yeah and we signed you know a document at the end of the at the beginning of the year that sort of puts us rules in place right and I remember when you know when when Dan you were the chair you know that you set a coffee with me

16:59you know about you know some some some rules right and that I wasn't maybe potentially following that well that year but I you know I appreciated that from you about you know how you approached it and in a very humane way about like you know let's talk about this right like you know and you know I I think that we all could be reminded a little bit especially because the tensions are high sometimes and the pressure to from the community to us sometimes it's is a lot and whatever else we have going on in our lives but I want to make sure that if I ever you know offend you in you know my position right now that we you know that we can make it up because ultimately we need to work together we need to accomplish a lot and this brings about you know our behavior and including

17:54myself in the chambers right with the public and you know it is it is a it is a it is a public forum meaning people will come to us and and tell us things and it's it is it is totally okay for people to tell us things and sometimes those things that is in their mind that we have no control right and but it is their right to to speak to their lecture officials even even even if we have no no authority over some of the aspects of the things that are telling us to act on and it is important for us to to try to remember that you know responding may not be the most appropriate thing it is part of our rules right that we don't necessarily respond to the conversation and I understand because I've been the one responding sometimes because feeling like I need to set

18:49that record straight or I need to clarify something I want us I want to make sure that we don't exacerbate or make it worse certainly my my job there is not to push you down to make myself shine or to or to really clarify anything that my Novi will receive to like fact check the people of the public but you know I hope that you can help me out on that too help me out you know you probably know me when I get frustrated already so maybe to you know to talk to like calm me down a little bit before I start saying things but I hope that we all the same page about what we're trying to build here because the respect of of that chamber and the history of it and the institution that we represent is is very important if people lose faith and they think that this is a place for

19:44arguments and and for theater we you know we lose all hopes that to work on the important things that we really are trying to accomplish so and again I hope that this year ends better than started and I am excited to work with you on accomplishing these goals it's for a great retreat to it's I liked that we did it a little bit differently the format and you know it's I like I think it went well so thanks for doing that thanks for facilitating yeah thank you Eric are you facilitating that retreat was magical and I also felt like it was probably one of the best retreats I attended to maybe because some of those things were my ideas but I but I you know certainly I write you know almost all of every time but no I really think that you know we will focus more on

20:43more better focus so thank you for challenging us challenging us is there other pieces of your notes oh yes certainly I want to make sure that you all know that you know the leadership of this council and the council staff and many of you have expressed desires to do something about you know the the things that are upfront that people are asking us to do right and you know well people are telling us to abolish ICE there is something that we can do we cannot do that you know it's not something that we have any authority over nor we can prevent them completely from doing things in our city but we do have authority to do all other things and to take care of our neighbors to communicate with our neighbors also to educate our community also learn from the community what they need

21:47what they really need sometimes we might think that they they want something and maybe come something completely different so we are going to convince some meetings with community members with business leaders and with active you know some of the organizations that are doing they work on the ground to hear from them about what their impacts are and what they what can we do together including other layers of government so try to to understand what the county role is and maybe someone hopefully from the state and the school district but ultimately I want us to be in a position of working minds right like getting things done so we're going to be releasing some of those details after we chat with you about what that means but the hope here is that we are

22:37actively looking at our ordinances actively looking at our power and the things that we can actually do for our city actually tangible things right any questions reflections servicing about that approach and ultimately I know that you know we all have opinions about how to approach things so I'm hoping that these channels are a little better and to like how to respond or how to what are we going to do specifically so thank you thank you for reminding me about and I think members of the community would love to hear that we we have come we're committing those meetings and hopefully some of them would like to participate if they want to be part of you know of a change here in our city I think that really is it's right okay unless there's anything else others would like to discuss

23:37related to following up from the retreat thank you okay and we had to like you know we have to like budget this meeting right because it really is a public meeting I wish we could all attend so we're going to have to share this information with other two council members and you know things get busy but we have a little break now you know so until 2 p.m. so get ready for a busy council work session so thank you for being here.